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A must-read book on the quantitative value investment strategyWarren Buffett and Ed Thorp represent two spectrums of investing: one value driven, one quantitative. Where they align is in their belief that the market is beatable. This book seeks to take the best aspects of value investing and quantitative investing as disciplines and apply them to a completely unique approach to stock selection. Such an approach has several advantages over pure value or pure quantitative investing. This new investing strategy framed by the book is known as quantitative value, a superior, market-beating method to investing in stocks."Quantitative Value" provides practical insights into an investment strategy that links the fundamental value investing philosophy of Warren Buffett with the quantitative value approach of Ed Thorp. It skillfully combines the best of Buffett and Ed Thorp weaving their investment philosophies into a winning, market-beating investment strategy.First book to outline quantitative value strategies as they are practiced by actual market practitioners of the disciplineMelds the probabilities and statistics used by quants such as Ed Thorp with the fundamental approaches to value investing as practiced by Warren Buffett and other leading value investorsA companion Website contains supplementary material that allows you to learn in a hands-on fashion long after closing the bookIf you're looking to make the most of your time in today's markets, look no further than "Quantitative Value."

290 pages, ebook

First published November 29, 2012

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8 reviews4 followers
February 1, 2015
This is one of the best value investing books I have ever read. It bridges the gap between the colloquial rhetoric found in value investing and translates them into quantifiable metrics.

I would recommend this book to anyone who has already read any value investing books (i.e. Intelligent Investor, The Little Book That Beats The Market.), and once to go even in more depth of in field.
196 reviews2 followers
January 13, 2016
This is an outstanding book for anyone considering value -based investing. And for anyone who isn't, to help them decide that perhaps they should. It is quite expensive yet worth the price.

(It could, however, have benefited from another round of editing, especially by someone who thinks in terms of usability.)

Here's the central notion. Value investing, introduced at Columbia Business School by Graham and Dodd, and captured in their book Security Analysis, means taking advantage of occasional market inefficiency to buy good quality stocks that are momentarily under-valued. You buy them when they are cheap, and ride them up to profit.

A big problem though is that our emotional, subjective views of what makes for a good value buy just do not work well. The authors explain why (and Dr. Gray goes on to explain this in more and even more interesting detail in his later book, ).

The authors motivate the idea that just as a pilot runs through a checklist before takeoff, so must investors take their decision making to a model and set of procedures. This makes it less likely that we sabotage a good strategy by trying to out-thing the algorithm.

The book then takes us through the steps of building a winning algorithm. It starts with Joel Greenblatt's Magic Formula approach and addresses its obscurity problems.

The authors build off of the Magic Formula to consider and objectively analyze a variety of metrics. For example, what is the best means to determine price as a value indicator? EBIT/TEV wins, and the authors show every step of how they evaluate it against other options.

In fact, they test everything, which is part of the fun of the book. And at the end provide a detailed checklist that takes you through every screen required to identify which stocks to buy. Full transparency here: you walk away with the ability to implement a model.

There are some pet peeves of mine that weren't addressed (or not sufficiently). I wasn't always clear on when the comparisons included dividend reinvestment (e.g., when comparing to S&P 500 Total Return which does). I believe dividends completely skew the apparent value of any methodology. Plus, a reinvestment model isn't realistic for individual investors who must pay taxes even on reinvested gains.

Another is the lack of short term charts. Yes, there's value in a very long back test. But once the 1974-2011 view is complete, it would be so very useful to see the visualization of rolling five-year results. Unlike an endowment, I have an end date. I'd like to understand the efficacy of the model in time periods that I can relate to my own life events. Wouldn't most folks?

Finally, I'd like to see the authors address selling. It isn't completely clear if the model completely turns over the holdings annually or if it is buy and hold (an example of where some more editing could clarify things). It would be great to have a discussion on sell algorithms. (For example: if a value stock over time achieves its efficient valuation it is no longer a value stock. If there's annual rebalancing that liquidates, is that appropriate? Might a sell algorithm indicate to hold an asset longer? How about assets that remain on the value list for more than one rebalancing; should it stay on without limit?

All in all though, I highly recommend this book.
3 reviews
December 7, 2021
Great book, provides the theoretical and empirical underpinning behind the popular value-investing techniques. Where it failed, though, is not going into details about its backtests for its strategies -- how often is the strategy rebalanced, what is the capital allocation, etc. Still, provides a comprehensive 'fundamental' checklist for stock picking and/or analysis.
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2 reviews1 follower
June 12, 2014
Excellent book on value investing and adapting quantitative strategies based on value investing principles. Dr. Gray took the ideas of Buffett, Graham, Dodd, Klarman and Greenblatt and came up with a comprehensive strategy that incorporates all the best elements of value investing on both the long and short side (Beneish, Altman Z-Score, etc.). Looking forward to following Dr. Wesley Gray's career, and also investing in his new exchange traded quantitative value fund!
5 reviews
August 6, 2015
Good book on screening stocks and understanding how to look for value instead of chasing expensive stocks. If your into modeling the book is filled with charts and figures of many comparisons to give you ideas.

I wanted the site to have a very strong companion site to build a community and good area for Q&A but not for now at least.
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August 21, 2018
In these times of tight budgets, personnel intensive strategies like value investing has had to make way for indexing but also quantative investing. In the introduction to this book Gray and Carlisle give a short but comprehensive description of the field of value investing, including a wonderful true story with Warren Buffett and Ed Thorp playing bridge. The conclusion from the introduction is that successful value investing more than anything relies of the investor having the temperament to follow through and not succumb to psychological pitfalls. The meeting of Buffett and Thorp thus is an introduction to the theme of the book � value investing merging with quantative investing. This fusion is further explored when in the next section Joel Greenblatt’s Magic Formula is described. The task that the authors give themselves is to come up with a quantative value strategy that improves on the successful recipe of Greenblatt.

In order to accomplish this tall order they aim to: 1) find effective accounting red flags to weed out stocks that will cause permanent loss of capital due to fraud and bankruptcies, 2) screen away low quality stocks, 3) find cheep stocks and 4) screen for triggers that hopefully shorten the time between the value investor’s purchase of a stock and when the market realizes the full value of it. Finding fraud and triggers add value but the core of the strategy is the other two factors. Basically the authors, just like Greenblatt, seek good and cheap, rather than bad and expensive.

After testing a number of valuation multiples and combinations of multiples, Gray and Carlisle are actually forced to give up. The most effective multiple in the US market between 1964 and 2011 was EV/EBIT, i.e. the same multiple that Greenblatt used. It produced the highest return and Sharpe ratio - substantially outperforming the market. Furthermore stocks cheap on EV/EBIT had the smallest drawdowns. The opportunities for improvement turns out to be larger when it comes to Greenblatt’s quality measure ROC. Almost all single year return on capital measures performed pretty much in line with the market or slightly lower. The problem is that profit margins are mean reverting and by targeting the highest return a screen often finds cyclical highs. The highest quality stocks are a type of glamour stocks. The problem is then mitigated in several ways; firstly the authors screen for value first and then seek high quality within the cheap stocks (instead of using a parallel process), then the time span is expanded to averages over 8 years to find persistence, further the definition of quality is enlarged from return on capital to margins and financial strength and finally the authors not only look to the level of returns, margins etc. but also to the trend and the stability. This vastly improves the performance. The back tested Quality Value strategy had a return of 17,7 percent between 1974 and 2011 where Greenblatt’s Magic Formula portfolio returned 13,9 percent and S&P 500 10,4 percent. The Sharpe ratios were 0,79, 0,55 and 0.37. Both Quality Value and the Magic Formula had smaller drawdowns then S&P 500.

This is a quality book. It’s not hugely original but it’s full of common sense in the execution and I’m sure to come back to it. My only fear is that the presented model is too complex, especially compared to the Magic Formula that was exceedingly simple. Complex models that back test well always run the risk of being over-engineered and disappoint further on. Thankfully the logic behind the chosen process is clear and this alleviates much of my worries. Complexity complicates matters but it also lessens the risk of ending up in the most populated corners of the market. As screening can be performed by so many there is an obvious risk of crowding. Algorithms might not succumb to psychological pitfalls, but if manual analysis is framed to avoid behavioural traps I’m convinced it can add rather than deduct value. Fundamental analysis is not yet superfluous.
1 review2 followers
April 24, 2020
Firstly, the cover price of this book is significant. The reviews of it were generally favourable and so I bought it.
The information within is probably technically/academically sound. However, it seems to suffer the problem of being largely non-transferable to the real world that I suspect most people inhabit. There are a significant number of processes involved in the strategy that at times require information that simply isn't accessible to most people unless they have access to stock screening memberships that will provide the raw data (bearing in mind this strategy is applied to all stocks in a market universe, and not 'spot applied' to stocks of interest.). The companion website that is mentioned on the cover is simply the authors Alpha Architect website which anyone can navigate to free from Google, which doesn't supply (as far as I can find) a stock screener using all the processes in the book - furthermore it only includes US stocks so is utterly useless for someone who has bought the book in the UK.
The book content itself could use clearer editing - it reads more of an academic research paper than something than can actually be followed.
Most charts in the book were totally unreadable, as they are supplied in various subtle variants of grayscale, so it's impossible to differentiate the lines (at least in the e-book version that I bought.). For a book at this price point that is simply unacceptably poor quality and both the author and publisher should be ashamed at endorsing something that clearly and obviously isn't fit for purpose at such a fundamental level.
Overall, I suspect this might be of passing interest to theoretical academics within the industry - but will be of limited use to most people on a practical level. It strongly appeared to be the author taking an opportunity to 'intellectually masturbate' in public, rather than something of practical value for money to most readers.
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18 reviews
May 29, 2017
This book provides a not-too-technical introduction to the world of quantitative investing, primarily focused on equities. It goes through the developments in the quant world over the years and highlights ways to apply the principles of value investing using the quant framework.

The final product of the book is a comprehensive investment strategy that uses signals based on value and quality factors. It also provides a brief overview of other signals that could be used in conjunction with these basic signals to further improve the output of the strategy.

I believe this should be a good read for someone new to the world of quant investing but may not add value for someone who has been in the business for a while.
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136 reviews8 followers
November 9, 2017
whew this book is thick.... divide this metric by that metric and backtest it against a bunch of other metrics and then we'll see what wins. it is a long research paper that heavily cites dozens, maybe hundreds of other books. good news is i don't think i need to read security analysis after this (and several other books). definitely some great insight on behavioral bias, but for the most part this is a deeply quantitative look at assessing the correlation between various financial metrics and price performance. i mean, that's useful and all but this is a book where you skim for the formulas and the results....use it as a reference for building a strategy. In that respect it is basically a text book. Even so I'll probably read quantitative momentum too.
7 reviews
September 18, 2018
Solid book and comes from a place a thorough research. The qualitative tales of Buffet keep it interesting reading and help to make the points. Given how dry the material could be I think this works well and keeps the interest level high.

Unfortunately the print version leaves a lot to be desired. Grayscale charts in a black and white book? Why not use lines with different weights/patterns? Often times vertical axis labels are missing and in a couple chapters the figure/graph titles were just wrong (although the proper one could be fairly easily deduced). For a book at this price point I would have expected a slightly higher quality.

Also the �+website� aspect of the book is no longer a site with the publisher and instead a firm started by one of the authors.

2 reviews1 follower
April 22, 2020
Excellent book that provides direct insight and a specific strategy.
The book is quite dense and is not the typical "buy low sell high" book with typical but obvious advices such as "long term beats short term".
It provides a step-by-step investment strategy with a clear and concise checklist.
The only problem I see with the Strategy/Checklist is that it might not be realistically possible to apply it for the typical personal investor, as he/she will not have the tools to analyze such a wide scope of companies.
59 reviews1 follower
June 7, 2020
an excellent book about value but in a world of cognitive bias, this is must read for all value investor. There is quite a lot of simple math which could lead some reader a bit of confusion, but don't worry, you will understand it all.

This book has a very useful notes which help you to find another great books as well, so if you're serious and want to understand more about value, then it's a great source.

Based on a domain where a lot of number, and fact, this book made a great job to help you understand much easier.

Happy reading!

76 reviews3 followers
November 18, 2021
Khoảng cách t� lý thuyết tới tài chính định lượng: đó là backtest.

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Lựa chọn của bạn là s� dụng công thức trong sách, kiểm th� lại công thức hay dựa vào phương pháp trong sách đ� tìm ra chén thánh của riêng bạn?
100 reviews49 followers
October 20, 2020
Most of the investment analysis approaches (and books written) pursue either the quantitative analysis approach of stocks or discuss qualitative aspects of stock selection. In this book, the authors have actually tried to merge both approaches and presented their findings tested over past data showing (the potential of) improved results. A valuable asset in any investors' books portfolio.
Practitioners could share actual field results with the suggested approaches.
1 review1 follower
March 31, 2020
This book is a must read for both people who are more experienced in investing as well as people who are getting started in investing. The concepts are explained in a very clear and narrative way, although some concepts and formulas could have been explained more in-depth. Also the references to the papers that they use makes it easier to find those details missing in the book.
13 reviews
April 30, 2018
A book to keep on the shelf and reference for decades. In a era where index investing is the preferred way to invest, I look forward to implementing the Quantitative Value strategy in the near future to beat the market.
8 reviews
May 11, 2018
I started my career following the magic formula and ended with a lot of value traps. this book pointed out the flaws of MF.
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11 reviews
July 12, 2018
If I had to pick one book to shape my entire investing philosophy, it’d be Quantitative Value. Carlisle and Gray, give you a step by step blueprint to millions. Doesn’t get easier then this!
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9 reviews6 followers
May 14, 2019
The authors provide a good checklist for quantitative value investing.
15 reviews
October 10, 2020
A good overview of the quantitative equities literature, but a bit long-winded at times. Tldr, EV/EBIT
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75 reviews1 follower
November 6, 2024
The figures are all in grayscale (without any distinguisher other than colour), are extremely hard to read, and not very informative.

Overall still a good book to read though.
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2,873 reviews93 followers
February 25, 2024
Amazone

As far as I know, the only investing books to mesh quantitative investing and value investing have been What Works on Wall Street, The Little Book That Still Beats the Market, and Ben Graham Was A Quant.

Quantitative Value shares a lot in common with What Works on Wall Street, and improves on The Little Book.

In fact, this was probably one of the best investing books I've ever read, combining the tried-and-true approach of value investing, behavioral finance, and quantitative methods to produce one very interesting piece.

I really, really, REALLY wanted to give this five stars, as it is exceptional, but there were several major issues with their methodology and logic. But first, the positives.

PROs:

- Explains basic cognitive biases typically affecting investing and how behavioral finance can help improve results by methodically sticking with the Quantitative Value program.

- Completely dissects Greenblatt's Magic Formula (From The Little Book That Still Beats the Market), demonstrating which of the two formulas has contributed more to the returns, how to possibly improve on the formula, and using it as a benchmark to which the authors compare their Quantitative Value approach.

- Tests a composite price metric of EBIT/EV, EBITDA/EV, E/P, B/P, Gross Profit/EV, and FCF/EV. Interestingly, the composite score doesn't outperform the best performing single metric (EBIT/EV), which is at odds with the composite score findings in "What Works on Wall Street," which consisted of P/S, P/E, P/B, EBITDA/EV, and P/FCF. Can draw your own conclusions, but I suspect the divergence is due to O'Shaughnessy included P/S and P/FCF, rather than FCF/EV (a flawed metric discussed below) and GP/EV.

- Uses Gross Profit to Assets [(Revenue - Cost of Goods Sold)/Total Assets] and Gross Profit to Enterprise Value, which are both metrics I've never seen tested before in the literature. GPA as a performance metric makes more sense than the traditional Return on Assets (more of this in a bit), and their test results show both produce solid returns.

- Compares using 10 year average earnings multiples to the typical last twelve month multiples, which is something I wish had been included in What Works on Wall Street.

- Goes into sufficient detail to detect earnings manipulation (using accruals) and financial strength and distress (Piotroski F-Score, Altman Z-Score, and Beneish M-Score are all discussed). This is particularly useful in deciding which stocks to exclude from a portfolio, as these are the ones most likely to hamper over-all returns.

- Keeps the discussion regarding CAPM and Beta to three or so pages. Beta has been discredited enough that it would be nice for it to be never mentioned again in the literature, but the authors limit it to a perfectly acceptable blurb.
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6 reviews1 follower
May 9, 2020
Typically I stay away from value investing books but made an exception for this one and it was worth it. This is the best fundamentals book I have ever read from investing perspective. The author beautifully intertwines fundamental concepts and ratios with their ability to signal value and price. He also uses similar frameworks researched elsewhere to prove/disprove their efficacy. Essentially, Gray has codified Buffets philosophy - buy good quality companies at fair price, hence the name - Quantitative Value.
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17 reviews1 follower
January 28, 2013
The writing has a clunky research paper feel to it, but I found the ideas presented to be fascinating. The main lesson I took away is that simple models can often outperform humans, and human intervention with those models typically makes the results worse, not better. I'm especially interested to learn more about our behavioral biases.
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20 reviews4 followers
January 2, 2014
Very good systematic empirical approach to investing in a world where investing is predominantly taught by anecdote or apprenticeship. Good explanation for how investors can craft their own empirical process and metrics for investing.
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14 reviews
September 19, 2016
A very interesting book, the authors take it upon themselves to see if they can improve upon the magic formula. Spoiler they manage it. I greatly enjoyed the read, and had some good insights though I won't likely be using their model.
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8 reviews3 followers
June 29, 2013
I never paid any attention to enterprise value or f/z/m scores (gurufocus.com has f/z/m pre-calculated and stockrover.com has ev/ebitda in their screener) before. Makes intuitive sense.
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