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When the Sea Turned to Silver

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Pinmei's gentle, loving grandmother always has the most exciting tales for her granddaughter and the other villagers. However, the peace is shattered one night when soldiers of the Emperor arrive and kidnap the storyteller.

Everyone knows that the Emperor wants something called the Luminous Stone That Lights the Night. Determined to have her grandmother returned, Pinmei embarks on a journey to find the Luminous Stone alongside her friend Yishan, a mysterious boy who seems to have his own secrets to hide. Together, the two must face obstacles usually found only in legends to find the Luminous Stone and save Pinmei's grandmother--before it's too late.

A fast-paced adventure that is extraordinarily written and beautifully illustrated, When the Sea Turned to Silver is a masterpiece companion novel to Where the Mountain Meets the Moon and Starry River of the Sky.

384 pages, Hardcover

First published October 4, 2016

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February 7, 2022
“I will never forget, Yishan had said, and that is truly the only immortality that matters�

So What’s It About? (from Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ)

“Pinmei’s gentle, loving grandmother always has the most exciting tales for her granddaughter and the other villagers. However, the peace is shattered one night when soldiers of the Emperor arrive and kidnap the storyteller.

Everyone knows that the Emperor wants something called the Luminous Stone That Lights the Night. Determined to have her grandmother returned, Pinmei embarks on a journey to find the Luminous Stone alongside her friend Yishan, a mysterious boy who seems to have his own secrets to hide. Together, the two must face obstacles usually found only in legends to find the Luminous Stone and save Pinmei’s grandmother–before it’s too late.�


What I Thought

What an absolute delight! I’ve been utterly charmed by Grace Lin’s stories in the past, but I think When The Sea Turned To Silver is on a whole new level of inventiveness, beauty and clever story-telling. I absolutely loved the book’s structure and the stories-within-stories that feature so prominently. What I enjoyed most of all is that all of these seemingly-random folk tales actually intersect and come together at the ending of the story to impact Pinmei’s adventure in a truly brilliant, delightful and magical way.

I have to say that I also loved the callbacks to Lin’s previous works, and I was glad that I was correct in my prediction that Pinmei’s grandmother Amah is actually Minli from Where the Mountain Meets the Moon. Finally, I think this is ultimately one of those stories that is all about the magic of words and tales and their power to bring myths to life and change the world � and I’m always a sucker for that kind of meta story-about-stories.

When The Sea Turned To Silver tackles some heavy themes for its designated age range, I think � mainly the abuses that those in power may enact against those beneath them for the sake of greed and more power, and the way that the less-powerful may then become complicit in that cruelty:

“It’s interesting how all the magistrates and king’s fathers in your stories seem to have the same personality. It’s as if they could all be the same person.�
“it does seem that way, doesn’t it?� Amah agreed.
“Though I suppose the powerful all seem the same to us,� the stonecutter said, laughing.�


Pinmei’s arc as a character is about her learning how to stop being so passive and timid, and she ultimately becomes a much braver and decisive person. In addition, there is another really powerful female role model in the character Lady Meng, who refuses to marry the Emperor who covets her and, in one especially powerful moment, defies him and says that he can marry her corpse.

Last but perhaps most importantly, this is another shining example of a book that is entirely based in a non-Western culture and beautifully demonstrates its Chinese influences, myths and oral traditions through and through.
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AuthorÌý2 books432 followers
December 29, 2019
“When the Sea turned to Silver� is a tough call. It is better than its predecessor in every way except the most important: the theme.

“When the Sea Turned to Silver� is a direct sequel to “Where the Mountain Meets the Moon.� It not only follows the same family but wraps up a few lose ends from that story. I was pleasantly surprised by this fact. Seeing some of the ideas from the first book fleshed out and some stories come full circle was immensely satisfying. I do not known if Grace Lin had this sequel in mind when she wrote the first but the continuation of the story and characters is masterful. Overall, I am highly impressed by the fact that Grace Lin did not settle as a writer and strived to do better in her sequel.

My biggest qualm from the first book is also addressed. While storytelling is the heart of this series the first book proportionately had too many pauses in the main story to convey the pacing of a folktale. This disruption at certain points lessened the story's impact in my eyes. Here, the balance is sound. There are still plenty of folktales that flesh out the truth behind the narrative, but the main story is not forgotten. Plenty happens and the characters feel more autonomous and the main story more epic for the entirety. The narrative in general is also better. While the last story was very personal, very little was at stake. Here the whole kingdom could suffer if the story teller’s granddaughter fails and the narrative has more power for it. There is also more action in this sequel which helps to make the stakes feel dire.

The writing is better has also improved. The metaphors and similes do not get in the way of the storytelling but paint beautiful word-pictures. These echo the idea of storytelling and its power and bolster the themes of stories in the book.

The only place this book falters is the main theme. “Where the Mountain Meets the Moon� had flaws, but its heart was a powerfully realized message. Here there is no main message, no driving theme besides how stories weave into life and eternity. At least, that was my opinion. It is a shame because while this is an objectively better read, it is hard to say it is a better book without the universal theme anchoring it.
If you enjoyed “Where the Mountain Meets the Moon�, give this a read. It is everything you like about the first and is more polished. Young children and young readers should also read this. Time to check out what else the author has written.
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462 reviews225 followers
August 8, 2017
this is the kind of book I aspire to write tbh😭😭😭

CW/TWs: didn't notice this first time reading through but there was a problematic element of using disfigurement as punishment+a magical cure for said disfigurement :/
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September 15, 2020
Rounding up to 4 stars because I recognize the merit of this story. I just didn't...feel it.
When the Sea Turned to Silver follows the storyteller's granddaughter as she tries to rescue her grandma from the evil emperor. As she goes, she tells the stories she learned and the mythology she weaves plays into the other characters in the narrative.
I agree with all the other positive reviews on here--this would be a great story to read to children. It a delightful homage to Chinese mythology and oral tradition and a high-stakes adventure novel with myth and fantasy.
I just really, really struggled to get into it.
I've been poking at it for almost a year now and feel some relief at being done. But I've got the other two books by this author and I suppose I should read those and return all of them to my cousin before another year sneaks by with me holding onto her books...
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AuthorÌý11 books166 followers
October 29, 2019
"Almost all men respect the Storyteller. You can make time disappear. You can bring us to places we never dreamed of. You can make us feel sorrow and joy and peace.

"You have great magic."


wow that was super life-affirming and vocation-affirming and also just a rip-roaring good winter survival adventure???? with drama and angst and High Stakes???? 10 stars out of 10.
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221 reviews39 followers
November 26, 2017
Grace Lin’s storytelling is so magical. It is fitting that this book’s main character is known as the storyteller’s granddaughter. Weaving together an adventure narrative with traditional, orally told stories, Lin masterfully crafts an enchanting tale of friendship, love, and everyday magic.
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720 reviews1,776 followers
July 16, 2017
A stunning and gorgeous story about a storyteller's granddaughter and the incredible journey she embarks on to save her grandmother.

- A beautiful homage to storytelling, the power of stories, and how, through stories, we can find truth and inspiration.
- The narrative is filled with stories based on Chinese mythology, parables, and folktales that I learned when I was young. (And I loved the small reference to Zhuangzi's butterfly dream.)
- I loved piecing everything together in the end; loved how this story excited me and enthralled me. This is the sort of story I will share with my children one day. I think this book has found a home in my heart.

Full review to come.
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4,597 reviews238 followers
July 7, 2018
This was an enjoyable story, though I enjoyed “Where the Mountain meets the Moon� by the same author more. As this story concerns a Storyteller and her granddaughter, a budding storyteller herself, there were many short tales woven into the larger story of Pinmei going on a journey to save her grandmother from the Emperor. While I loved the short stories, and following Pinmei and Yishan on their adventures, I found the constant interruption of Pinmei’s adventures by Pinmei relating a story kept taking me out of the main story’s action, much like when you’re driving along a smooth surface then unexpectedly go into a pothole.
One other concern: the disfigurement of a minor character that resulted from a negative behaviour, which was then magically fixed because of a positive action. The equating of disfigurement with being a bad person is troubling and not a good association for young people to make.
The story otherwise is gentle, much like Pinmei, as the two children rush from one location to another, encountering a variety of people and creatures who assist and hinder them on their journey.
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530 reviews204 followers
July 27, 2021
I liked it and should have read the middle volume in the cycle first. This is the the third volume of 's Chinese folk/fantasy cycle that began with the small and self-contained masterpiece .

continues the battle between the Tiger and the Storyteller with help from the Immortals. The threads did not fully come together for me as they did in the first book. Suitable for ages 8 - adult.
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447 reviews7 followers
March 4, 2023
The main character is a young girl named Penmei who sets out on a quest to save her grandmother who was taken by the evil green dragon emperor. The emperor is seeking immortality and doesn't care who he kills in the process. He is taking all of the young men from mountain villages to use as slave labor to build a huge wall around the entire kingdom. The kingdom is stuck in a never-ending winter because the black turtle of winter is trapped somewhere in the world.

Penmei's grandmother was taken because she knows all of the stories and legends of China which the green dragon emperor believes he needs to achieve immortality. But it turns out unassuming little Penmei also knows the stories because she has always listened to her grandmother tell them.

This book is a good testament to the value of stories and storytelling.
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2,183 reviews136 followers
October 25, 2021
I love how the author weaves folktales in with the narrative. My favorite was the people who were punished for not standing up for injustice because of fear. It’s similar in plot to Where the Mountain meets the Moon but while that focused on home this focuses on the immortality of stories and a girl’s quest to save her Grandma.
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November 26, 2017


“Mortals are the only ones who can give immortality. It has always been that way.�


Pinmei is shy and tongue-tied - quite the contrast to her grandmother, the storyteller, who enchants people from near and far with her tales and legends. But when the new Emperor hopes to find the key to immortality in legends and has Pinmei's grandmother arrested, Pinmei realises that she can recall all the tales she's grown up with if she can only find the courage to speak. With the help of her droll friend Yishan, the beautiful Lady Meng, and a mind full of stories, Pinmei sets out on a journey to rescue her grandmother and foil the Emperor's plan of gaining immortality.

I was already impressed with the author's Where the Mountain Meets the Moon, but this new tale just takes it to a new level. When the Sea Turned to Silver is a beautiful tale of family, friendship, loyalty, mythical creatures, magical landscapes and what it takes to rule a kingdom. And of course, it is not short on stories. I can't help but love stories within stories, and this one has them interwoven so nicely - a reread will always be worthwhile!

It is one of those stories that includes so much foreshadowing, every little detail from the first page down to the last matters. We follow Pinmei and her friends on their journey through China where winter does not seem to end. They are certain the Emperor is to blame and try to get to the bottom of it. On their way, they meet a variety of characters and creatures who all want to hear stories from the storyteller's granddaughter.

I also love how the author handles the Chinese elements. Various elements of the story ring familiar in accordance with my Chinese studies - the author incorporates language, tales and real historical events such as the building of the great wall. It is a pleasure to see these elements and they strike me as very accessible to anyone, no matter how much or little you are familiar with the culture.

Pinmei is a great character. She grows so much throughout the book but never loses her kindness and modesty. Her friends Yishan and Lady Meng have their own secrets that unravel during their journey, but both prove to be wonderful friends.

But what I enjoyed the most were, without a doubt, the through and through magical sceneries. They travel through icy lands with red butterflies, the depths of the ocean where the bottom reflects the sky, trees draped with lanterns, endless starlit bridges, and a moon that can be seized with a magical bracelet.

When the Sea Turned to Silver is far from being short on magic. Pinmei's tales come to life and, as far as I am concerned, easily hold their own next to similar better-known books. It is a shame that this is the least known out of the author's three Chinese fantasy novels - it deserves so much more!

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April 7, 2020
When the Sea Turned to Silver
Grace Lin

This beautiful book is a middle grade, Chinese fairytale. The main story follows Pinmei and Yishan. Pinmei's grandma is a storyteller. People from near and far come to listen to her seemingly endless stories. But one day, the Emperor imprisons her. Pinmei finds out the Emperor is after a "Luminous Stone That Lights the Night". She sets out to find this stone and free Amah along with her friend Yishan.

The main story is peppered with smaller stories - fairy-tales/lore. Amah (Pinmei's grandmother) and Pinmei take turns telling them. We meet some other characters along the way. One of the most important aspects of the story is the making of great wall. It's horrifying to see how many people were forced to work on the wall and were sacrificed for it.

Slowly the stories Pinmei and Amah tell merge with their own story. The writing is fantastical and engaging. It's just great storytelling. The illustrations are so full of heart! The detailing in each chapter header shows you how much work went into it. The book is not perfect though. I didn't like one of the main characters much. And at the end it felt like too many stories were connected to make complete sense. Nevertheless it was a wholesome read. I'll definitely read more from the author.
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358 reviews139 followers
July 24, 2018
“Stories are what connect us to our past and carry us to our future. They are what we cherish and what we remember.�

An enchanting, beautifully written folklore/fantasy story. It's full of adventure, magic, and emotion. Pinmei, the main character, transforms throughout the novel as she finds her voice and inner strength. There's a great message about the importance of storytelling. Also, the illustrations in the novel were so gorgeous (please read this book in print so you can truly appreciate the artwork).
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238 reviews71 followers
April 25, 2021
When the Sea Turned to Silver is a mythical wonderland of interlaced folklore, skillfully woven through the main journey that we take with the admirable duo, Pinmei and Yishan. My seven year old and I adored this extremely artistic story, with its magical and wistful prose, and the charming and interpretive illustrations.

I would highly recommend , as my son has requested I add her two other books in this series to our library queue ASAP.
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99 reviews43 followers
May 13, 2017
Omg what can I say? Despite this being a children's book, I quite enjoyed it. It was sooo rich, and enchanting. :D <3 And I spent great time with it. Definitely going to look for the author's other works..and I LOVED her note at the end.
It's one of those books that make you wish you had a child so you could tell them about these glittering worlds XD
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1,711 reviews18 followers
August 11, 2020
Pinmei’s quest to rescue her grandmother, a beloved storyteller from a tyrannical emperor truly has the same feel and heart of Lin’s other book “When the Mountain Meets the Moon�. It has a slightly more dangerous path while having a few surprises along the way, but still a marvelous and touching tale. A (100%/Outstanding)
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856 reviews180 followers
November 9, 2020
this was a reread and I might be loving this series even more the second time around
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1,955 reviews127 followers
October 17, 2016
The Tiger Emperor, disguised as a soldier, is going around to all the mountain villages and kidnapping men to help build a Vast Wall around his entire kingdom. When the Emperor arrives in Pinmei's village, not only does he take all the men, but he also takes Amah, her elderly grandmother known as the Storyteller. Amah had hidden Pinmei in a large empty wine vessel to keep her safe.

Before the soldiers leave, young Yishan arrives at the hut and demands they not take Amah, but the Emperor only laughs. Tossing him aside, he tells Yishan that he can have her back when he brings the Tiger Emperor a Luminous Stone That Lights The Night. As they leave, the soldiers set fire to the little hut Pinmei and Amah lived in.

Pinmei and Yishan decide to go rescue Amah and set out on a quest to find a Luminous Stone That Lights The Night, traveling from their home on the Never-Ending Mountain through deep snows in what seems to be a never ending winter to the City of Bright Moonlight. Along the way they are given much help in exchange for one of Amah's story, which Pinmei knows by heart.

Pinmei and Yishan are not in the City of Bright Moonlight long before they must journey to the Crystal Palace at the bottom of the sea to seek the help of the Sea King and then back to the Capital City to try to get Amah released from the Tiger Emperor's dungeon. Along the way, Pinmei begins to suspect that Yishan is hiding something from her as his demeanor begins to change to a more confident person when dealing with all the obstacles they meet on the quest to rescue Amah. Her suspicions aren't without foundation, providing one of the big surprises at the end of the story.

Besides Pinmei and Yishan's journey, there are parallel chapters of Amah in a dungeon with a fellow prisoner, a stonecutter, as well as the plight of the entrapped Black Tortoise of Winter, both adding to the mystery and enchantment of Pinmei's adventure. At the heart of this cleverly woven tale is the Tiger Emperor's desire for invincibility but also for immortality and he is willing to do anything to achieve that. But why did the Tiger Emperor kidnap Amah, the Storyteller? Why did he ask for a Luminous Stone That Lights The Night? And why can't the Black Tortoise move on so that winter can end? How can they help the Emperor achieve what he wants?

The answers to these questions can be found in the stories that Pinmei and Amah tell and which are strategically interspersed throughout the book (of course, I didn't realize the strategic part on my first reading of When the Sea Turned To Silver). Though rooted in traditional Chinese folktales, Grace Lin has given them her own spin to support the story of Pinmei, Amah, Yishan and the selfish Tiger Emperor.

I was really looking forward to reading When the Sea Turned To Silver and I wasn't disappointed. It is an adventure with lots of twists and turns, where nothing is as it seems and there are a few surprises along the way The tales fit smoothly and relevantly into the framing story, so the reader doesn't experience any disjunction or lose track of Pinmei and Yishan journeys.

When the Sea Turned To Sliver is the third book in the trilogy that includes When the Mountain Meets the Moon and Starry River of the Sky but you don't need to have read these two previous tales to enjoy this third one. Although there are references to the past narratives, this one does stand alone.

I found the writing to be clear and clean, but not quite as lyrical or poetic as Lin's two previous novels. In fact, sometimes I thought Yishan sounded a little colloquial. None of this takes away from the loveliness of the basic story, but I was surprised by it.


When the Sea Turned To Silver is an enchanting work and Lin has invented an imaginative ancient Chinese world that is at times rather dark in tone and at other times is just beautiful. And she has provided the reader with illustrations that will take your breath away, beginning with the cover, and continuing with the full color images throughout the book and the two-tone vignettes at the start of each chapter.

The first illustration in the book is one of my personal favorites. I love the way Lin frames her illustrations like her stories with what appears to be her version of traditional Chinese designs that fit her story. You can see that Lin really puts a lot of care and thought into what she creates. In this first full color illustration in the story, you can almost feel the bitter cold of the winter that is going on and on, and the isolation in which Pinmei, Amah and Yishan live (Yishan lives alone in a different hut since his Aunty Meiya died).

When the Sea Turned To Silver is a eminently readable, spellbinding tale that is sure to please fans of Grace Lin, young readers who enjoy good fantasy, and everyone who likes to read.

This book is recommended for readers age 9+
This book was purchased to send to my Kiddo, but I read it first.

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2,601 reviews59 followers
April 3, 2018
Grace Lin weaves a beautiful novel through ancient Chinese folktales. I loved this book and enjoyed the audiobook narrator very much as well.
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AuthorÌý1 book668 followers
September 10, 2017
This story links incidentally with Ms. Lin's other tales, and . It is an engaging tale of deception, greed, sacrifice, and love that is complemented by numerous short stories that help to show the importance of storytelling and how we can become immortal through sharing our memories and stories with others.

skillfully narrates the tale, which is filled with myriad characters and different subplots. I was impressed with her ability to keep the voices distinctly separate from one another to help the listener keep track of the different speakers.

interesting quotes (page numbers from edition):

Though I suppose the powerful all seem the same to us.
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844 reviews52 followers
December 25, 2016
Had this not been assigned for my Mock Newbery group, I'm not sure I would have finished it. I found the pacing slow -- not enough adventure and suspense to keep me reading. While I enjoyed the intermingling of stories from storytellers and the narrative of the adventure, I found the stories difficult to keep straight and the intersection of stories and narrative too little too late to be rewarding.

I didn't get much of a message out of this one except that stories are powerful and storytelling is a form of immortality.

(My SO is reading over my review and says, "That's exactly the kind of book that librarians love." Yes, I agree. This book was written for the Newbery committee more than it was written for children. I might find children who would enjoy it, but it's a tough sell.)
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696 reviews48 followers
November 25, 2016
I'm not sure if the problem was me or the book, but I had a harder time following this one than previous installments. Still enjoyed reading it and it still had some really beautiful moments, but I wonder if I needed to have read the first two more recently (I think, like the first two, it is not a sequel but a companion story and I had a harder time remembering which characters I was supposed to already know) to appreciate it fully.
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452 reviews9 followers
October 29, 2016
Best book of 2016 bar none. It will be an outrageous injustice if it is not honored by some award in the field of children's literature. Yeah, I said it.
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136 reviews435 followers
May 23, 2017
I'm just so happy this book exists. An intoxicating and wondrous blend of old folklore and new adventures. A must-read for everyone who believes in the power of stories.
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2,119 reviews204 followers
July 20, 2017
Read this one in a single sitting, I loved how the fables were intermixed into the storyline
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463 reviews
October 14, 2023
I don't have enough space on GR to post my full review (tho it's more of a breakdown for this book) so I'mma split this up, post the first half (ish) and then just continue in the comments which is lame and annoying so if you'd rather read an unbroken break down of the book, you could always go read it on my old website here:
(also I mostly just copied and pasted the introduction on the blog, so don't be weirded out if it sounds familiar 😂😂)(also watch out for the spoilers. They're like land mines, easy to miss but mess you up when you find them.)

This is for those of you who have already read the book and don't know quite what you just read - or, don't know how everything fits together. I was really confused as to what was going on the first time I read it and then each time I read, and the more I read, it became clearer. The pieces of each book finally started to fit and come together.

This isn't so much what I liked about When the Sea Turned to Silver or what is so great about it - it's more of a tutorial, or a step-by-step instruction kit so you can put the puzzle together yourself. Warning, it's going to be long.

Here we goooo.

The book starts off with the main character, Pinmei. She lives on a mountain with her grandmother, Amah. This mountain is the same mountain as the one that was moved - aka the one the Spirit of the Mountain/the sage/Mr Shan/the Old Man of the Moon < that guy. This is not the same as Fruitless Mountain. Remember, Amah lives in a hut. Minli's parents had a very nice home at the end of WTMMTM; Amah wouldn't move out to be in a hut. but I'm not going to say that again in case there are people here who shouldn't be here. You'll notice on p2 - barely into the story - Amah is telling stories. Recognize any of them? The story of the Immortal Dragon's Pearl is from WTMMTM and the story of the Boy Who Rolled the Moon is, ofc, from SROTS (and it was actually two boys). Also you find out that there's a new emperor who sounds like MT when MT was alive (p2) (he dies, spirit turns into Green Tiger and dies from jumping in a well so no he is not in the story if you were wondering). But on p4 you find out they call him the Tiger Emperor. Also on p4 they mention the Mountain Spirit at the top of the mountain which is evidence that Amah took up residence on the mountain that used to be moved.

Next you get introduced to another main character who is new to the series - Yishan (though for the ppl who've already read this... ). Hint: Yishan has his own hut higher up on the mountain (p 4). The Tiger Emperor wants a "Luminous Stone That Lights the Night". Can you think of anything that lights the night?

I've also wondered if this wall is either supposed to be the Great Wall of China because . On p7 they've run out of rice and they only run out at the beginning of spring. And Pinmei realizes it's been a long time since it's been warm.

p8 has always been the exciting page for me. On it, Amah tells Pinmei not to use that blue-and-white bowl because her gfather received it from the king of the City of Bright Moonlight! and Pinmei tells her gmother that he wasn't king yet when Amah's gfather got it. See what that means? It took me awhile but I've finally gotten it.

In my last review I talked about the ending some and here's the evidence for it. This is the significance: Rendi was the one who gave the bowl to Peiyi who gave it to MeiLan and Jiming who had a baby, Minli. They gave it to Minli because that's what Peiyi gave them the bowl and coins for. So while Minli is growing up, Rendi goes back home and in time becomes king of City of Bright Moonlight where he kicks his dad out and Minli encounters him and then his dad who was booted out before she comes along.

Little break while I explain something that confused me for a while until it just clicked one day: Fruitless Mountain and the stone pancake mountain are one and the same. Fruitless Mtn/Never-Ending Mtn/the Mtn that meets the moon is the one that the Spirit of the Mtn/Mr Shan/the sage lives in, the one that was "moved" by Peiyi's ancestor - also the one that Jiming runs off to, to get away from his sweetheart's mom arguing with his dad. It's also the one Rendi leaves after he gives Peiyi the coins and the bowl - which she in turn gives to Jiming and MeiLan (Ba and Ma) for a wedding present, who in turn give it to Minli who is born in the Village of Clear Sky, who grows up there, who ends up in City of Bright Moonlight, and then goes back home.

Anyway. After Amah mentions the bowl being from a king, Pinmei saying he wasn't royalty yet clued me in on the fact that it was Rendi - but then what's all this about her gfather getting it? That's the part that stumps me, but I'm thinking it could be that Peiyi gave it to Master Chao who gave it to Jiming who gave it to Minli.

Here are a couple things to consider when you're thinking about the age difference:
If Jiming were Minli's gfather, it wouldn't work since Rendi is a few years younger, he would be like 12 years older than Minli's parent (assuming Jiming had a baby right away), bc when Minli visits and he's masquerading as an old man, and she spies on him in the garden as he takes off the makeup, p127-128 in WTMMTM, it says that she realizes he's "not an old man at all - in fact, he was younger than Ba". It couldn't be Rendi's son, that would be confusing bc he tells Minli he kicked his dad out and his dad was the one with the borrowed line from the happy family, and that's what happened to MT.

So it has to be Rendi - the age difference would make sense since Jiming (Ba) was quite a few years older than Rendi (Rendi being around 13 or 14 and Jiming being around 20 since MeiLan is around 18). Because the ages otherwise don't quite match up. But then we're back to square one - who's the gfather who was given the bowl? Because Ba was Minli's father who got the bowl. And Peiyi was the one who was given the bowl anyway. So that part still confuses me, but only the gfather part - the rest is pretty clear, on Rendi and Jiming being Ba, etc.

Then we come to p10 which adds another layer of confusion: who's Auntie Meiya and why did the Black Tortoise (BT) come when she died? That is answered but it's at the end of the story, so I'm not going to address it yet. But there's a hint: Yishan and Auntie Meiya lived in a stone hut and Yishan continued living in it after she died. So what's her connection to him? Also here's another hint about Yishan: Amah says about him that he forgets things like rn he forgets he's [only] a young boy.

So the topic moves on and Amah tells a story about Nuwa and Fuxi - you'll want to remember these things: the tear that falls from her eye, the strand of Nuwa's hair that is all Fuxi manages to get, and the drop of blood that falls from it. Also that she turned herself to stone. Amah says, p13, that if anyone could make the BT do anything, that person would be invincible. I believe that comes into it later so store that in your attic. So then, p13-14, Amah says the BT brings winter just like the dragon brings spring. You'll want to remember that too. It's important. Then Pinmei asks how she knows this and Amah says a friend told her; and that is very interesting: was it Yishan even tho he only answers them every 99 yrs? I think so. But it could have been Dragon or Aunt Jin. But I think it was Yishan (notice - Yishan).

Then things start happening. p16 Amah puts her in the old gang but it describes it as clay and I thought the MT's gang was porcelain or china or something so it might not be - and idk how it would have made its way to the mtn since Rendi didn't take it when he ran away. But he did give Minli's parents presents when they gave him the Dragon's Pearl, and the gang *was* cracked bc Rendi's sister breaks it for him. But anyway.

When Amah puts Pinmei in the gang, she says the mtn had not stopped them from coming - earlier on p4 it says that the emperor started up the mtn but couldn't go up and was forced back down so apparently that's what she's talking about. I'm assuming it's the Spirit of the Mtn who stops them. Well, as she's hiding Pinmei, she tells her Yishan will watch out for her and to remember: "You can always trust Yishan." Why? Because

On p19, things get even more confusing: why do the soldiers want Amah? Then p21 things become a tiny, tiny bit clearer: he calls her, Amah, the "Storyteller". And not only that but calls the soldier in GREEN, "Your Exalted Majesty", and Pinmei realizes he's the one ppl call the Tiger Emperor on p23. See the coincidence? He's called the Tiger Emperor and he's wearing green, like the great Green Tiger. Even stranger, he says the blue-and-white bowl of Minli's is his. And who's was it really at the beginning of the series? WangYi's, yes (and Minli's more literally, yes), but it was passed down from WangYi to the MT and Rendi took it and gave it to Jiming and MeiLan - though it wasn't 100% theft bc when he became king it belonged to him, but he'd already given it away. So why does the Tiger Emperor say it's his? But things haven't stopped getting weirder...

p25, Yishan tells them� to not take her and the emperor soldier says Yishan is a small pup pretending to be a dog and Yishan comes back with - it's more honorable than a tiger pretending to be a man. And the laughter stops. Yishan went too far.

The Story of the Paper of Answers, on p32, is one of my favorites, bc it explains sm when you're looking for an explanation. Let me try to break it down.

Long ago, when the City of BM was called City of Far Remote, the new king (Rendi) arrived. He was about to marry one of the emperor's gdaughter - the one who was the grocer's daughter. It says he was given rule over a land that constantly flooded bc of the Jade Rive. And if you remember, in WTMMTM, the king (Rendi) helps them w the irrigation system so that water gets spread everywhere, even to Fruitless Mtn where Peiyi was/lived, which is dusty and grey.

So they (Rendi and company) are traveling to the city and they accidentally knock over an old man. The king, Rendi, stops and picked up the fallen buckets to help the old man. Most nobles are not strong bc they don't need to do any manual labor but the king lifts them easily and the old man comments on it. Do you know what the king says? - "I've done this before" (bc he used to do it for Master Chao!) "and you remind me of someone." (Who? Mr. Shan). So the old man gives him advice and he asks his father, the MT, if he can have the Paper of Answers aka the Borrowed Line. The MT thinks it's worthless bc to him it's intelligible, so he gives it to him, Rendi. And it helps. [p35, I was right! he helps direct the water to make it helpful for crops and plants.] Then Pinmei finishes the story, and p36 says the king received a dragon's pearl in return for giving away the paper of answer! The king is definitely Rendi - and the dragon's pearl is a Luminous Stone.

p39 is more abt Auntie Meiya but on p38 Pinmei says the clothes seem 100 years old - could she have been one of Yishan's gdaughters? Who knows? Then comes a part I find incredibly sad after having already read the book and knowing what happens and how it ends...p40 they go back to Pinmei's hut to salvage anything they can and Yishan finds a box, burned, the cover falling off, but inside is "a guilded jacket made of hundreds of different-colored patches". And as Pinmei reaches out to take it, something falls from its sleeve. It's a jade bracelet. And that's where it leaves them - in the snow, standing in the rubble of Amah's home.

Moment of silence for the sadness.

Then, chapter 10, it switches to "him". Who "him" is is still a mystery - but something is pinning "him" down. The scene switches again...this time it's Amah, on a horse, travelling away from the ruins of her home and her gdaughter Pinmei. When the Tiger Emperor talks to her (p44), she's shocked because his eyes look familiar and she wonders where she's seen eyes like that before - it's because when she walked out of the cave, the tiger (MT) was outside of it (it was his cave just like it had been WangYi's) and he attacks her and Dragon, that's where she's seen eyes like that. Then p45 she says "You are not just a soldier" and it mentions "the roar of his voice echoed in her ears, calling up a strange fear she had not felt since she was a child" bc Minli heard him roar when he jumped at her...and she still remembers the fear she experienced when he did that.

So he asks for the story of the Ginseng Boy and she tells it after reminiscing over Auntie Meiya asking for it (and telling Yishan it was time to end their string). Not sure what the Ginseng Boy has to do w anything or how it comes into the story but that will be obvious soon I think. What I did notice was p52 when she talks to Amah and Yishan about mortality. Yishan is immortal.

But when you get to p63, the Story of the Red Stone does have significance. If you remember the story of Nuwa - she leaves behind three things: a strand of hair, a drop of blood, and a teardrop. The Story of the Red Stone is the story of her drop of blood. It's also about Ku-Ang, the Sea King, who will factor into the story later. Notice how many people swallow something and get turned into something: Madame Chang/Moon Lady, Jiming, Ku-Ang, to name a few.

Also, remember the horrible Haiyi, he'll come later, too. I also want to point out that Peiyi has started, just a little, to open up. Though that might be because of...

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