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Final Farseer Book discussion!

One big difference with this book was that Hobb did not start with all of the review she did with book two. I wonder if other readers at the time had not liked it either. With this book, we pretty much jump right in. That's how I like it!

Although, this beginning was sad , not very adventurous, with Fitz not wanting to remember what all has happened to him( can you blame him?) and his seizures back. Again, he is lucky to have Burrich AND that Burrich can understand and help because he is Witted also.

Just read chapter one - really like the start of Fitz being a wolf in man's clothes! i could actually almost feel the shock when he saw himself in the mirror. i liked how it was done with Burrich being very careful every time there was a shimmer of Fitz coming through not to scare him back to wolf state.

Is this possible? Fitz gets to BE HIS OWN MAN? Make his own decisions! And I love this exchange:

"So what am I to do?" I asked sarcastically. "Go looking for a prince to educate me?" ( as Chivalry had done for Burrich)
"There. You see? A boy's reply. You don't understand, so you get angry. And venomous. You ask me that question but you already know you won't like my answer."
"Which is?"
"It might be to tell you that you could do worse than to go looking for a prince. But I'm not going to tell you what to do. Chade has advised me not to."

How smooth was Burrich? And here is what I find soo ironic... What does Fitz decide to do?

ch2 - It's weird it took them that long to pick up on verity skilling and what it means.
and burrich and molly... tsss. burrich and fitz are alike indeed and it works both ways

Burrich thinks he is doing the right thing by Fitz and Molly, just like he thought he was for Patience all those years ago. Another thing he has in common with Fitz, living without the woman he loves; however I can't imagine why he would continue to think that in the "new circumstances." (I'm guessing you're referring to their kept secret above). Maybe he just wants Fitz to continue to heal for awhile, or maybe as long as everyone has to think Fitz is dead he would be a danger to her and he has no intention of telling either of them the truth. I vote the latter.

As to the irony I referred to in message 3, Fitz IS running after a prince but the wrong one they want him to go after!!

A question I meant to ask in book 2 and now it's coming up again in ch. 4:

Chade mentioned to Fitz in book 2 his theory that Verity's skilling was drawing the Forged. And it seemed like this might be a possibility when after Verity left, the Forged stopped coming so close to Buckkeep. However, (here's the question) why didn't all the skilling that Justin, Serene, and Will were doing attract the Forged?

They were constantly spy skilling on Fitz and Shrewd. Also they killed Shrewd by skilling and draining his power. Unless there is some explanation that these do not send out magical wavelengths like regular skilling, which doesn't make sense, I'm confused a little.

Also I had thought maybe it might be the intensity and strength of Verity's skilling(there is no doubt he is better at skilling than the others taught by Galen), but now Fitz send out one Skill to Verity and the Forged ones are at his door.

I'm sure this book will settle it, I just wondered what other's thoughts were at this point? Why does skilling sometimes attract them and sometimes not?

ch3 - i wonder which prince he will in the end go after... the wrong one i suppose?

only thing that annoyed me in this chapter is the amount of repetition. the italics at the start of the chapters contain nothing new, and we are for the second time this book being told what happened in book 2.
are there really people who read the third book in a trilogy and not read the rest?

Candace wrote: "Burrich thinks he is doing the right thing by Fitz and Molly, just like he thought he was for Patience all those years ago. Another thing he has in common with Fitz, living without the woman he lov..."

Given his hesitation and weird smiles, I'm sure that Burrich knows he might not be doing the right thing. But then again, I might be reading too much into it right now. There's been no confirmation, only hits.
And Burrich deserves to be happy too.

Candace wrote: "A question I meant to ask in book 2 and now it's coming up again in ch. 4:

Chade mentioned to Fitz in book 2 his theory that Verity's skilling was drawing the Forged. And it seemed like this might..."

Hmmm good question, hadn't thought about that.
Fitz did probably really shout to Verity in the end, and in the previous book it also happened a few times that Fitz seemed to broadcast very loudly.
So maybe intensity is part of it? Or natural ability

Though even then i guess the sum of all the others should have made up for it?
Not sure...

I can't remember exactly how the skilling attracted the Forged ones - but I do remember that Verity is far more powerfull as a skiller than the rest. He's also skilling over distance(over the country) and to the point where it is consuming him, so I cant remember if that makes the difference.

I don't think this ever gets explained.

I don't think it attracts them. Chade knows little about Skilling.

If it does, it's probably what David said, that Verity is much more powerful than the others.

thats false. I don't wanna spoiler, but the witted bear guy explained it wasn't the skill but the wit. Witted ones are more likely to be attacked by forged ones

Ah OK. Yeah that's right. Only been maybe 6 months since I've read them and already the details are leaking out of my head :(

@Jenny I really like thinking things through and figuring things out on my own. Please make comments such as David and Rob giving ideas, but please do Not give the answer when it is a spoiler. Or if you really want to make the answers available, USE SPOILER LINKS. Or as I've already suggested once, go to the spoiler forum. Thank you.

Hanne wrote: "ch3 - i wonder which prince he will in the end go after... the wrong one i suppose?

only thing that annoyed me in this chapter is the amount of repetition. the italics at the start of the chapters..."

I agree, here we go again. Yet I have to read them because she does throw in some new information.

As to which Prince he will go after, even though he says he is going after Regal, I'm guessing he will end up going after Verity. Who else will save Verity? Kettricken and the fool, that's possible, but what is Fitz's big story then. He is not going to kill Regal. The book keeps bringing up how Fitz believes that he is no longer bound by his promise to Shrewd to never hurt his children ( because Shrewd is dead and because Fitz died), but I feel like Hobb will have Fitz come to the moral high ground and stick to his promise. I would say he is going to save Chade, but he is supposed to "live his own life." The only thing I can guess is that because it's called a "quest" in the title, that Wherever Fitz is going he will learn more important things about himself, that may be what the book is about. Fitz finally becoming a man.

Jenny wrote: "thats false. I don't wanna spoiler, but the witted bear guy explained it wasn't the skill but the wit. Witted ones are more likely to be attacked by forged ones"

hmmm... i'm not fully sure that makes sense with the information we got so far.
the attacks circling Buckkeep stopped when Verity and his crew left Buckkeep and it was mentioned how they were seen more often in the direction Verity went. ok someone in his crew could have been Witted.

but Fitz has been Witting very loudly ongoingly, and yet they only show up at his door after he Skills?

The only information we got so far is the Forged ones talking about "the one who dreams loudly" - so in principal in could be both, but none of it really adds up yet.

Candace wrote: "Hanne wrote: "ch3 - i wonder which prince he will in the end go after... the wrong one i suppose?

only thing that annoyed me in this chapter is the amount of repetition. the italics at the start o..."

Fitz clearly doesn't really have a clue where he is going, and now there is the added complication of the old men and his two daughters.
I do believe as well Fitz will go after Verity instead. It's the biggest story, and the book is fully written in the first person from Fitz' point of view. It's also clear that Verity isn't really in control there, so he might Skill a cry of help to Fitz at one point? Or Fitz himself might decide it's time for him to start using his talent for meddling :)

Plus, somewhere in the story we will have a dragon, and where else but in the mountains can that one hide?

Hanne wrote: "Candace wrote: "Hanne wrote: "ch3 - i wonder which prince he will in the end go after... the wrong one i suppose?

only thing that annoyed me in this chapter is the amount of repetition. the italic..."

True, probably roams around these Elderlings!!

Hanne said,"

hmmm... i'm not fully sure that makes sense..."

I thought the same thing, it didn't add up. The strongest point being Chades, the attacks stopped on Buckkeep when Verity left.

Fitz did not stop using Wit.

Candace wrote: "True, probably roams around these Elderlings!! "

Unless it's a dragon genie in a bottle of course
that could explain why Verity still hasn't found them

ch5 - so Will now knows that both Fitz and Verity are still alive. that screws up Fitz' plans quite a bit

Hobb doesn't fully explain how Forging works until Fool's Fate as I recall, so you have a long way to go for answers.

I don't recall her explaining the whole being attracted by skill/wit. I believe what Jenny is referring to happens later in this book, so you guys can refresh my memory when you get there.

You learn a lot more about both the Wit and the Skill in the 3rd trilogy. This one will likely leave you with many questions about both unanswered.

Liveship doesn't involve the Wit or the Skill, so you sort of take a break from all of that. It's hard to explain exactly without spoilers though.

And I so want to comment on the dragon stuff, but spoilers. lol.

i knew it - it is a dragon in a bottle! :)

Hanne wrote: "i knew it - it is a dragon in a bottle! :)"

Sure. Just like the Unicorns in the last book.

hey! no mocking my seer-potential.
don't forget that i called the jail-die-banished plot of the last book - in the right order! :))

Hanne wrote: "hey! no mocking my seer-potential.
don't forget that i called the jail-die-banished plot of the last book - in the right order! :))"

But if you take away my mocking what will I have left? My life will have no meaning :(

Sorry bout that. thought that happened in the second book.... But since I use the app, I don't have all posting options you guys do for spoilers. I only see blue blocks when you add spoilers...

Jenny wrote: "Sorry bout that. thought that happened in the second book.... But since I use the app, I don't have all posting options you guys do for spoilers. I only see blue blocks when you add spoilers..."

That's ok. No harm done. Im just a "figure it out on my own" girl, as iI'm sure you know now. But David and Rob and Alex have all read the books and participate without giving spoilers. They usually just dont remember- which helps- but you can always ask without spoiling if we've gotten to something... Thank you for your apology.