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Reading Schedule
Date Chapters Pages DQ's
June 12 01 - 03 001 - 054 Lisarenee
June 13 04 - 07 055 - 116 Lisarenee
June 14 08 - 11 117 - 172 Lisarenee
June 15 12 - 17 173 - 246 Lisarenee
June 16 18 - 21 247 - 328 Lisarenee
June 17 22 - 25 328 - 383 Turtlecollector
June 18 26 - 35 383 - 440 Lisarenee
June 19 35 - 42 443 - 502 Lisarenee
June 20 43 - 49 503 - 565 Lisarenee
June 21 50 - 57 566 - 631 Lisarenee
June 22 58 - 64 632 - 697 Lisarenee
June 23 65 - End 697 - 766 Lisarenee

I believe that would be The Diviners by Libba Bray for the month of June.





My only problem is that I just started World War Z and want to start Under The Dome by Stephen King soon so don't know if I'll be a bit overloaded!
I'm going to try really hard to keep up with this anyway!


What does this mean? Why do you (moderators) post 'reserved' on every thread? I've been trying to figure out the logic/purpose behind it, but I'm baffled. I just want to understand! :)

What does this mean? Why do you (moderators) post 'reserved' on every thread? I've been trying to figure out the logic/purpose behind..."
We reserve the posts for further use.
On BOM's threads is usually to post the reading schedule to easy access.

Tell me about it!


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We're working on the schedule.
Yes, two long ones in one month is a lot. We're trying to figure out if we should do a run over of the passage into the next book or try to fit all the reading into the 12th through 21st. Jex is getting a paperback copy today of the book to see if we should be reading more than the hardcopy. We usually try to stick to approximately 50 pages a day, but may up the amount.
Yes, two long ones in one month is a lot. We're trying to figure out if we should do a run over of the passage into the next book or try to fit all the reading into the 12th through 21st. Jex is getting a paperback copy today of the book to see if we should be reading more than the hardcopy. We usually try to stick to approximately 50 pages a day, but may up the amount.
Who all is reading this one with us? Would you prefer to get all the reading done before the 22nd or extend it so we read less each day? This one has 759 pages without the postscript. 766 with.




Or I can read ahead at the end and just be ready for questions during my vacation. I will still be able to get online while I am on vacation.




There's no way on earth I'd get this finished by the 22nd but I've got a reading disability called a 'Two Year Old' so am not the best judge :-)
I'm happy to just do my best to keep up and join in on the discussion late anyway at my own pace.
Is anyone else as excited to start this tomorrow as I am? I've been wanting to read this for ages!


Date Chapters Pages
June 12 1 - 3 1 - 54
June 13 4 - 7 55 - 116
June 14 7 - 11 117 - 172
June 15 12 - 17 173 - 246
June 16 18 - 21 247 - 328
June 17 21 - 25 328 - 383
June 18 26 - 34 383 - 440
June 19 35 - 42 443 - 502
June 20 43 - 49 503 - 565
June 21 50 - 57 566 - 631
June 22 58 - 64 632 - 697
June 23 65 - End 697 - 766
Sheila wrote: "Also, if people want this book to count for the tower team challenge do we need to help with questions?"
Sheila, that is no longer mandatory to complete Category #4. However, doing a set will earn your Team a cupcake.
Sheila, that is no longer mandatory to complete Category #4. However, doing a set will earn your Team a cupcake.


I completely agree with you. I couldn't put it down. It feels like an age waiting for 'City of Mirrors' to come out!

Sounds interesting, and I've only participated in one other BOM (Deja Dead by Kathy Reichs earlier this year) and want to do more.
Might fall behind, but I'll catch up! X)

1) From the very first chapter we know there's something about Amy--"Before she became the Girl from Nowhere--the One Who Walked In, the First and Last and Only, who lived a thousand years--she was just a little girl in Iowa, named Amy." Do you think all the background information on Amy's beginnings will play a part later in the story or is the author just trying to paint the picture she started out life as a normal child with humble beginnings?
2) Was there anything in Amy's background that struck you as odd or different besides her being left by her mother at a convent? Did her mother do the right thing by leaving her?
3) What did you make of the bats attacking the people in the jungles of Bolivia? I don't think I've ever heard of them swarming on people.
4) What were your thoughts about the creepy statue and the Chuchote legend about destroying the demons of man to save the world? Are you feeling yourself being pulled into the story?
5) Do you think Jonas survived? Why do you think the soldiers were there?
6) What did you think of Anthony Lloyd Carter? Seems like they're looking for disposable people whom they can experiment on. Do you think what they're doing is legal? If they can cure everything and increase a person's longevity, are criminals on death row the right people to be potentially be giving an extended life to?
7) So Walgast had a daughter who died and is now divorced from his wife. What's your first impression of him? Do you like him?

1) From the very first chapter we know there's something about Amy--"Before she became the Girl from Nowhere--the One Who Walked In, the First and Last and Only, who lived a thousand years--she was just a little girl in Iowa, named Amy." Do you think all the background information on Amy's beginnings will play a part later in the story or is the author just trying to paint the picture she started out life as a normal child with humble beginnings?
I think the author is explaining how Amy ended up in the situation she will end up it. That she was loved, but her mom was in over her head and that this left her vulnerable to becoming what ever it is she becomes. I am very curious. Especially since the whole story of Amy so far is about her mom and Amy doesn't really have personality yet.
2) Was there anything in Amy's background that struck you as odd or different besides her being left by her mother at a convent? Did her mother do the right thing by leaving her?
I don't know if her mom did the right thing. I think she just did the best she could think of. Jeanette just seemed so alone in the world. I don't know what else she could do. It just seems like no one would help her and she did not know where to go to find help.
3) What did you make of the bats attacking the people in the jungles of Bolivia? I don't think I've ever heard of them swarming on people.
The bats was weird. I am very curious where they are going with that. I have never heard of bats swarming and attacking people. I have heard of bats flying out of caves at the same time. But not attacking people- just flying past them.
4) What were your thoughts about the creepy statue and the Chuchote legend about destroying the demons of man to save the world? Are you feeling yourself being pulled into the story?
My curiosity is piked. I have no guesses about where this is all going though. I need to read more.
5) Do you think Jonas survived? Why do you think the soldiers were there?
I have so many questions now. I think Jonas survived. I expect we will hear about Jonas again. I have no idea why the soldiers are there. Maybe because that statue is representing something that still exists???? But that is just a wild guess. :)
6) What did you think of Anthony Lloyd Carter? Seems like they're looking for disposable people whom they can experiment on. Do you think what they're doing is legal? If they can cure everything and increase a person's longevity, are criminals on death row the right people to be potentially be giving an extended life to?
It might be legal. I highly doubt it is ethical. Human testing is really dicing. It is very difficult to get a study approved for human testing, as it should be. And there are a bunch of rules about testing on prisoners now. This is based in the future, so maybe laws have changed so that it is legal to do the testing. But they obviously think that the population at large would be horrified to know what was going on or they would not be using death row inmates who have no first degree relatives. I think it is all rather sketchy.
7) So Wolgast had a daughter who died and is now divorced from his wife. What's your first impression of him? Do you like him?
Right now I find Wolgast intriguing. He seems to be the sort of person who use to have a strong moral compass but life has beaten him down and now he is just going through the motions. I am interested to watch his character develop.

You choose a day that works best for you and we'll put you down :-) The mods are happy for any help we can get with this monster of a book.

1) From the very first chapter we know there's something about Amy--"Before she became the Girl from Nowhere--the One Who Walked In, the First and Last and Only, who lived a thousand years--she was just a little girl in Iowa, named Amy." Do you think all the background information on Amy's beginnings will play a part later in the story or is the author just trying to paint the picture she started out life as a normal child with humble beginnings?
I think it's just to set the stage. I didn't think this would come up again.
2) Was there anything in Amy's background that struck you as odd or different besides her being left by her mother at a convent? Did her mother do the right thing by leaving her?
I'm re-reading this by listening to it, and for some odd reason the narrator doesn't say "chapter 1" etc. so I don't know how far Ch. 3 goes, so I will refrain from certain comments. As for did her mother do the right thing, I'm not sure if it was the "right" thing but it was probably best under the circumstances. She had killed a guy and was on the run. She could barely support Amy. Her mother believes the nuns will care for her. However, I would be worried about her being put in an orphanage or an abusive foster home.
3) What did you make of the bats attacking the people in the jungles of Bolivia? I don't think I've ever heard of them swarming on people.
Very creepy. I like how we get the first-hand accounts via emails.
4) What were your thoughts about the creepy statue and the Chuchote legend about destroying the demons of man to save the world? Are you feeling yourself being pulled into the story?
Very pulled into the story. It's mesmerizing.
5) Do you think Jonas survived? Why do you think the soldiers were there?
My impression was he didn't survive. I thought the soldiers were there to fight the bats.
6) What did you think of Anthony Lloyd Carter? Seems like they're looking for disposable people whom they can experiment on. Do you think what they're doing is legal? If they can cure everything and increase a person's longevity, are criminals on death row the right people to be potentially be giving an extended life to?
Seems very illegal to me. Even if they're condemned to death, I would think they would have the right to know exactly what was being done to them. Anthony is a man who has accepted his fate.
7) So Walgast had a daughter who died and is now divorced from his wife. What's your first impression of him? Do you like him?
My first impression is he's dedicated to his job. I wasn't sure at first if I liked him or not.

1) From the very first chapter we know there's something about Amy--"Before she became the Girl from Nowhere--the One Who Walked In, the First and Last and Only, who lived a thousand years--she was just a little girl in Iowa, named Amy." Do you think all the background information on Amy's beginnings will play a part later in the story or is the author just trying to paint the picture she started out life as a normal child with humble beginnings?
I don't think Amy's beginnings will play a part later, it was just to show how Amy got to the point where she could be part of the experiment.
2) Was there anything in Amy's background that struck you as odd or different besides her being left by her mother at a convent? Did her mother do the right thing by leaving her?
Nothing in the background seemed odd to me except that after the father hit the mother, I did not expect him to leave so easily. I thought he would go after the mother again and she would she would have to run away from him. I don't think we will ever know if her mother did the right thing, but she was trying to do the best she could. At least she left her where she thought she would be cared for and not in the motel room.
3) What did you make of the bats attacking the people in the jungles of Bolivia? I don't think I've ever heard of them swarming on people.
I do not like bats ever since one got into my dorm room one summer and kept flying around. It took a long time to get it out the window. I think they are creepy looking but I haven't heard of them attacking people. I was wondering about the point to that story until later when Wolgast was getting the explanation for his job. I think they are going to have something to do with the virus and the cure.
4) What were your thoughts about the creepy statue and the Chuchote legend about destroying the demons of man to save the world? Are you feeling yourself being pulled into the story?
I have not been pulled completely into the story yet. I still feel as if it is mostly background information and I am waiting for the main action to begin. I am curious to find out what happens next, though.
5) Do you think Jonas survived? Why do you think the soldiers were there?
I think Jonas does survive and the soldiers are there to make sure nothing is made public that they think is harmful. They do not want some sort of secret coming to light.
6) What did you think of Anthony Lloyd Carter? Seems like they're looking for disposable people whom they can experiment on. Do you think what they're doing is legal? If they can cure everything and increase a person's longevity, are criminals on death row the right people to be potentially be giving an extended life to?
I think Carter has been railroaded into his death sentence somehow. He just does not seem smart enough to do something like that and even he can't remember exactly what happened.
7) So Wolgast had a daughter who died and is now divorced from his wife. What's your first impression of him? Do you like him?
My first impression is that he is a hard worker and tries to do the right thing. Right now I like him and feel sorry for what happened to his family. I hope I continue to like him as the book progresses.

Questions and Comments for Chapters 1 - 3
1) From the very first chapter we know there's something about Amy--"Before she became the Girl from Nowhere--the One Who Walked In, the First and Last and Only, who lived a thousand years--she was just a little girl in Iowa, named Amy." Do you think all the background information on Amy's beginnings will play a part later in the story or is the author just trying to paint the picture she started out life as a normal child with humble beginnings?
I think her beginnings might play a small part later in the story.
2) Was there anything in Amy's background that struck you as odd or different besides her being left by her mother at a convent? Did her mother do the right thing by leaving her?
Yes, I found it odd that Jeanette never enrolled Amy in school.
3) What did you make of the bats attacking the people in the jungles of Bolivia? I don't think I've ever heard of them swarming on people.
Strange! As they neared the site bats began to attack them. I’m not sure what to make of this.
4) What were your thoughts about the creepy statue and the Chuchote legend about destroying the demons of man to save the world? Are you feeling yourself being pulled into the story?
No, I can’t say that I’m being pulled in just yet. I hope things pick up a bit in the next few chapters.
5) Do you think Jonas survived? Why do you think the soldiers were there?
I think Jonas will live to tell his story. I think the soldiers were there to protect them and keep a lid on the situation.
6) What did you think of Anthony Lloyd Carter? Seems like they're looking for disposable people whom they can experiment on. Do you think what they're doing is legal? If they can cure everything and increase a person's longevity, are criminals on death row the right people to be potentially be giving an extended life to?
I’m not sure if what they are doing is legal or not � prisoners do not have full Constitutional rights. The possibility of extending the life of a death row inmate is disturbing.
7) So Walgast had a daughter who died and is now divorced from his wife. What's your first impression of him? Do you like him?
He seems like an average guy dealing with life’s challenges. I hope I learn more about him as the story unfolds.

1) From the very first chapter we know there's something about Amy--"Before she became the Girl from Nowhere--the One Who Walked In, the First and Last and Only, who lived a thousand years--she was just a little girl in Iowa, named Amy." Do you think all the background information on Amy's beginnings will play a part later in the story or is the author just trying to paint the picture she started out life as a normal child with humble beginnings?
I think we are just getting the background of where she came from. From what I've seen so far since starting this book this author REALLY likes to give a lot of details to set the scene and create background to the characters.
2) Was there anything in Amy's background that struck you as odd or different besides her being left by her mother at a convent? Did her mother do the right thing by leaving her?
Only that she's a poor child with no other family or anyone else in the world who will miss her. I think her mother could have asked for help at the convent herself rather than just walking away...
3) What did you make of the bats attacking the people in the jungles of Bolivia? I don't think I've ever heard of them swarming on people.
Bats mainly only swarm like that when they are scared I think so obviously these ones are mutated somehow from what we are told.
4) What were your thoughts about the creepy statue and the Chuchote legend about destroying the demons of man to save the world? Are you feeling yourself being pulled into the story?
I'm definitely being pulled into the story but I do think there is a hell of a lot of extra detail that could have been cut down a bit so far. I can certainly see how this book ended up being so long now...
5) Do you think Jonas survived? Why do you think the soldiers were there?
I don't think Jonas survived. I'll be surprised if anyone does. I'm guessing they were on some mission to find something special that the government wanted for some reason.
6) What did you think of Anthony Lloyd Carter? Seems like they're looking for disposable people whom they can experiment on. Do you think what they're doing is legal? If they can cure everything and increase a person's longevity, are criminals on death row the right people to be potentially be giving an extended life to?
Experimenting with new drugs in any way is such a touchy subject. I guess the point is who else could they really use? Especially if the testing has large fatality risks. In one way you think that they're going to be dead soon anyway, but in another way you know they're still human beings with certain rights.
7) So Walgast had a daughter who died and is now divorced from his wife. What's your first impression of him? Do you like him?
I like him I guess. In one way it worries me that people like that can take a job where they know dodgy things are happening and they are helping them happen, but he seems to at least be a bit remorseful of what is going on and isn't just relishing in his position which I like.

1) From the very first chapter we know there's something about Amy--"Before she became the Girl from Nowhere--the One Who Walked In, the First and Last and Only, who lived a thousand years--she was just a little girl in Iowa, named Amy." Do you think all the background information on Amy's beginnings will play a part later in the story or is the author just trying to paint the picture she started out life as a normal child with humble beginnings?
I think that the author is making sure we know her backstory. A well-developed character always has motivations, history, events and memories that PUSH how they behave. I also think it sets up nicely considering in Chapter 3, we see Wolgast collecting people with no families, and then the chapter ends with “we have to go get a civilian, not a prisoner� so you start to think... “OH, I bet it’s AMY!�
2) Was there anything in Amy's background that struck you as odd or different besides her being left by her mother at a convent? Did her mother do the right thing by leaving her?
I think her mother did the best thing she knew how to do -- and that was hard for her. The life she was having to live wasn’t going to be the life she wanted her child to have, so she did it. Granted, it’s a little selfish as well, as she was going on the run and wanted it to be easier... but I think it was mostly for Amy’s sake.
3) What did you make of the bats attacking the people in the jungles of Bolivia? I don't think I've ever heard of them swarming on people.
I have a feeling that the guy writing the emails and the vampire references are going to make this novel REALLY creepy in the overall story. I think those bats definitely “caused� something.
4) What were your thoughts about the creepy statue and the Chuchote legend about destroying the demons of man to save the world? Are you feeling yourself being pulled into the story?
Definitely got sucked in right away. It’s a REALLY long book, but those first 3 chapters really flew by. I had to make myself stop so I wouldn’t read past the sections and be unable to answer these without knowledge I’m not supposed to have yet!
5) Do you think Jonas survived? Why do you think the soldiers were there?
I don’t think so. I think it implies that the soldiers were there for a “this doesn’t get out if it goes bad� scenario... aka the soldiers didn’t let the “situation� leave the jungle. If he did survive, he won't be "Jonas" anymore but perhaps changed into a vampire-type creature?
6) What did you think of Anthony Lloyd Carter? Seems like they're looking for disposable people whom they can experiment on. Do you think what they're doing is legal? If they can cure everything and increase a person's longevity, are criminals on death row the right people to be potentially be giving an extended life to?
I hate that phrase “disposable people� but that’s just what they think of them. Wolgast, I don’t believe he really thinks that... but the higher ups certainly do. I also believe that they will run these tests on these people, and kill them if they perfect it to use on others.
I like Anthony Lloyd Carter. He seems to be a simple man, and I hope we find out what he did and more importantly, I hope he makes peace and gets answers within himself.
7) So Walgast had a daughter who died and is now divorced from his wife. What's your first impression of him? Do you like him?
I felt so bad for them. I have friends who went through multiple miscarriages before having their children, and they made it through... but seeing the changes in them as people now is STILL heartbreaking. They are very different people than they were before. So I understand how they ended up apart.
I like Wolgast. I feel like, right now at least, he’s not as morally ambiguous as the rest of the people he works with... and I feel like he’ll start to think it’s wrong the more time and events move forward.
*I'll read some other people's answers and comment when I can.*

It will play a part in the story and that is just a hunch. Amy seem like the only successful experiment to make it out of the lab the way she is described. It is confusing though because I thought they experimented only on death row inmates. Must have realized they needed younger test subject
2) Was there anything in Amy's background that struck you as odd or different besides her being left by her mother at a convent? Did her mother do the right thing by leaving her?
Yes, even though it was a difficult decision she did the right thing. The whole time she was fighting with the boy she killed I kept thinking what would happen to Amy now. May be the same thought must have crossed her mind. She must have realized her daughter will be left without anyone if something happens to her and leaving her in the care of a convent must have seemed like a lesser evil. Atleast this way she will know what happens to Amy.
3) What did you make of the bats attacking the people in the jungles of Bolivia? I don't think I've ever heard of them swarming on people.
I have seen the same thing in the movie "Bats" but that is fictional though I kept picturing the scene the same way. May be the Bats were infected by some herb or fruit in the deep jungle just like the movie "Out break"
4) What were your thoughts about the creepy statue and the Chuchote legend about destroying the demons of man to save the world? Are you feeling yourself being pulled into the story?
Yes, I am liking the story so far. The statue may be indication of what is to come.
5) Do you think Jonas survived? Why do you think the soldiers were there?
May be. The soldiers must have been there to take a live specimen for CDC. Did you notice that fact that Jonas was referred to as the "Vampire Doctor". Makes you wonder that the thing with the tourist happened before Jonas's time and the military was conducting further experiments on finding the miracle cure.
6) What did you think of Anthony Lloyd Carter? Seems like they're looking for disposable people whom they can experiment on. Do you think what they're doing is legal? If they can cure everything and increase a person's longevity, are criminals on death row the right people to be potentially be giving an extended life to?
Looking at it that way it seems wrong. If such people were given eternal life who knows what will happen. But the fact that they are willing to risk it shows that they don't believe the cure will work or that even if it works putting them in prison on a life long sentence will stop them. I am intrigued by the way Carter did what he did. I mean why did the little girl scream when she saw her last time. Why kill the lady and the lemonade thing all of it was like an episode from X - Files
7) So Walgast had a daughter who died and is now divorced from his wife. What's your first impression of him? Do you like him?
He feels like a very depressing character who is on a mission to find something. He is alright for the time being
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Synopsis:
“It happened fast. Thirty-two minutes for one world to die, another to be born.�
First, the unthinkable: a security breach at a secret U.S. government facility unleashes the monstrous product of a chilling military experiment. Then, the unspeakable: a night of chaos and carnage gives way to sunrise on a nation, and ultimately a world, forever altered. All that remains for the stunned survivors is the long fight ahead and a future ruled by fear—of darkness, of death, of a fate far worse.
As civilization swiftly crumbles into a primal landscape of predators and prey, two people flee in search of sanctuary. FBI agent Brad Wolgast is a good man haunted by what he’s done in the line of duty. Six-year-old orphan Amy Harper Bellafonte is a refugee from the doomed scientific project that has triggered apocalypse. He is determined to protect her from the horror set loose by her captors. But for Amy, escaping the bloody fallout is only the beginning of a much longer odyssey—spanning miles and decades—towards the time and place where she must finish what should never have begun.
With The Passage, award-winning author Justin Cronin has written both a relentlessly suspenseful adventure and an epic chronicle of human endurance in the face of unprecedented catastrophe and unimaginable danger. Its inventive storytelling, masterful prose, and depth of human insight mark it as a crucial and transcendent work of modern fiction.