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I am not sure if this has been spoken about but I was curious if people think VR would ever consider writing an alternate ending? It happens in movies when something traumatic happens, off the top of my head I think of "I Am Legend" where the original version has Will Smith dying and the second version does not.

I finished the book this morning or should i say mourning and I am pretty depressed about the ending. Four is my favorite character and it was pretty heartwrenching to read. I really wanted Tris to live, also if anyone has any fanfiction endings that are good post them!

Had the same thoughts today after finishing the book.
I googled fanfiction and came up with this:



I think there are several on this site by now, this is the one I read. No doubt there will be more ...

i dont think there would be any harm in releasing a free alternate ending where she lives but it seems like Roth has lost touch with her fans and doesn't care if they liked the ending or not

I agree it sucks that Tris died. But, really if you think about it there was no other way. Tris is the only one that can resist serums like she does. Even if Caleb had the suit to fight off the death serum for a little bit I don't see him taking the risk of going past David to activate the memory serum. I hate she had to die, she should have had her gun with her. Someone else should have been with her somehow. But, this ending was the most realistic in my opinion and I have great respect for Veronica Roth for taking such a big risk and killing off her main character.

I agree that Tris behaved entirely in character for the situation. The problem is the situation was contrived because all the contributing plot points were contrived and so her death was made to feel arbitrary rather than necessary to the story. Also, there was no emotional payoff to her death to satisfy the story and add purpose to the narrative. That's why so many people are not reacting to it the way Veronica probably expected them to. The execution just didn't work.

Lauren wrote: "I agree that Tris behaved entirely in character for the situation. The problem is the situation was contrived because all the contributing plot points were contrived and so her death was made to f..."

very well said

Here is what VR says about it. I think an alternate ending would make it a complete sell out. She made the decision and she needs to stick with it.

I read her explanation the other day and I do get what she was trying to do -- I did always understand the meaning behind it and the culmination of themes involved -- but I just feel the actual narrative wasn't executed properly to make the point come across and show how it served the story to make it "worth it."

I have no desire for Veronica to write an alternate ending. She thought this was the right conclusion and she thought this was the way to write it. I disagree somewhat on the first and wholeheartedly on the latter, but it's done and that's that. As to the movie, though ... well, that's another matter. They have the liberty to alter whatever they want, but should they? Don't know. I agree Veronica's overall theme may be lost if Tris's sacrifice does not occur altogether -- the problem for me is not that that it happened but she did not write it well into the story -- but I don't know how the movie can "write" it better. They can certainly rewrite the plot to show the sacrifice moment as something that happened organically instead of an arbitrary plot twist, and they can add scenes to flesh out the aftermath more fully than Veronica did. But a lot of the depth that is needed to make the death work is something that probably only exists in the narration of the book, and you can't really get that across in a movie.

Bring them back to what? The series is over...
I seriously doubt this will affect the blockbuster the movie is certain to become.

I loved the ending!!

I don't think VR would ever release an alternative ending, especially when it feels like the books were ultimately crafted (and subsequently re-crafted through Allegiant) to have this specific ending. To me, it feels like VR wanted this ending so desperately, that she tried to change the plot, characters and focus of the trilogy (it's explained as such a character-driven ending when the books were always far more oriented around action) to create a situation in which it "could" make sense, and as a result, the whole body of work suffered. Even if you can reconcile the character reasons for Tris to die, it is undermined by what is still essentially a deus ex machina for the resolution at the end... not to mention the lack of thought actually put into the plan and the consequences it should have entailed if followed through a bit more believably.

I doubt she ever would write an alternate ending, since as was said, she had that specific ending in mind when she wrote the series, but I'd be interested in a completely different last book, since alot of details in this one didn't really fit.

As nice as it would be to have the option of an alternate ending, some things just don't go that way. There is a reason why Veronica Roth chose to end the Divergent series the way she did, after all.

Even though it breaks my heart to know what happened, did in fact, happen, I still think that the book was great, and that if the movie was to be made, I would still go watch it.
Perhaps I'll find trouble trying to re-read the series with the inevitable death in Allegiant, but I don't believe that it makes the series any less dear to me. It's been a great adventure to read otherwise.

Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinions about it, so I won't ask people who mourn and refuse to acknowledge the ending to 'get over it'.

I never had much interest in the Four vignettes. And to tell you the truth, once Tris died, I skimmed the rest. I thought Tris was a great character, but towards the end, the constantly running into trouble bit got old.

cloudyskye wrote: "Had the same thoughts today after finishing the book.
I googled fanfiction and came up with this:



I think there are several on ..."


Thank you so much!! I feel so much better now. That was the best ending ever!!!

Cami wrote: "Thank you so much!! I feel so much better now. That was the best ending ever!!!"

My pleasure!!!
I found it quite believable, too, not too perfect, but our friends have a hope and a future. :)

I read the ending at about 1:00 in the morning, so you can understand why I say that at first I found the ending creepy. I was spooked for 2 days, until I realized what time I'd read it at. So I reread the whole thing after school, and then I was just sad, but luckily no longer creeped out. After about a week, I finally accepted the death of Tris. It startled me when I woke up one morning and realized I hadn't pictured Tris's bleeding, dead body lying on the table when Tobias went to see her that day for a full 14 hours.

I decided to pretend the alternate ending (see above) was the real ending and live with that. It helped a lot! If you haven't read it, I highly recommend you do.

This is Roth's story to tell. She hasn't "lost touch" with her fans. She wrote a story, and this is how it ended. If you don't like it, maybe read something else.

cloudyskye wrote: "Had the same thoughts today after finishing the book.
I googled fanfiction and came up with this:



I think there are several on ..."

Love this ending!

cloudyskye wrote: "Had the same thoughts today after finishing the book.
I googled fanfiction and came up with this:



I think there are several on ..."

This ending was so beautiful, I am crying at the moment as everything is so freaking perfect :') I'm so stupidly happy that it's stupid. Learn VROTH, learn from this person who writes bootifooly :') I'm so happy :')

Oh God, are we calling her VRoth now?

Ending? One where tris wouldn't die.

Theresa wrote: "Lauren wrote: "I agree that Tris behaved entirely in character for the situation. The problem is the situation was contrived because all the contributing plot points were contrived and so her deat..."

Not only were the plot points contrived but the supportive characters were as well...Evelyn choosing her son over her own personality...4 evil characters with no consequences whatsoever (Caleb, Peter, Marcus, David).

I would really love it if there was a different ending that wouldn't include Tris or Uriah dying. I thought Uriah's death was unnecessary. It gives you the impression that too many people die this world. Idealistic of me, I know, but still. But any different ending released now would feel fake because we all know how Veronica Roth wanted her characters to end up (dead or broken-hearted)! I am really disappointed in VR because I was a huge fan of the trilogy but that has definitely diminished in wake of Allegiant. I wish she had done differently.

Lauren wrote: "I read her explanation the other day and I do get what she was trying to do -- I did always understand the meaning behind it and the culmination of themes involved -- but I just feel the actual nar..."

I guess this is just a point where the readers just have to tough out a tough ending but it doesn't make it any better for those of us who loved the series before reading the ending. I still like it but who wants to fall in love with all of the characters just to see something terrible happen to all of them at the end?

I'm glad I'm not the only one who was not happy with the ending.

Tris lives and the world outside will sort of make sense and will be more investive for the readers to cope up into.

Part of me says that the ending worked, it was Tris all over, running into things she wasn't entirely sure about, trying to prove herself, trying to be Dauntless etc. Then part of me says "Tris wouldn't leave her gun behind." She wouldn't, even if she thought no one was after her, I'm pretty sure she would have kept it with her despite the pain she was in. This is TRIS. The other part of me says that she was foolish and childish for running into something she didn't understand. I suppose we're always going to feel all of these things, and I suppose Veronica wanted to teach us that not all endings are beautiful, not all endings are happy, not all endings are fairytales. Things happen that we can't explain. In that respect, it was realistic, it wasn't the most heroic thing I've ever seen and I don't think it was supposed to be, I think it was supposed to be a real ending. And if that's what she was going for, she did it well. However the ending will always feel to me like it was never truly complete.

cloudyskye wrote: "Had the same thoughts today after finishing the book.
I googled fanfiction and came up with this:



I think there are several on ..."

That's an EPIC alternate ending!!! Awesome!

cloudyskye wrote: "Had the same thoughts today after finishing the book.
I googled fanfiction and came up with this:



I think there are several on ..."

Thank you! That helped a lot! :)

Well ender's game is a flop if I were Summit/Lionsgate I would be a little worried about divergent movie franchise in general. VR underestimated her fan base. She thought they would accept her last book as gospel.

I would love an alternate ending, tris dying from the serum not from gun wounds. Caleb taking the bullet for tris hell even better Caleb killing David! But what's the point now we all know the true ending and it's ruined the book. But to be honest the whole book not just the ending ruined the series for me

I agree, Hannah. I don't know how I'll ever be able to read the books again or watch the movie knowing that it's all an experiment with a bunch of scientists watching them ten miles away, sitting around waiting for their genes to magically heal themselves.

Imagine what plot Veronica would have been forced to come up with instead had she taken three seconds to Google the word "genetics."

I just read her blog and her version of all three books. Whilst it did help my understandings of her selflessness it didn't answer any of the questions and frustrations here readers are having. I'll watch the movie because I loved divergent but can't guarantee the same for the other movies :(

Veronica's explanation actually makes the whole thing worse to me. So basically Tris was motivated throughout the series by wanting to honor her parents' sacrifice and understanding what selflessness means to her. So naturally the best way to do that is by emulating her parents' behavior and dying as they did. Because they totally didn't sacrifice themselves in order for her to LIVE or anything. So really that's all it comes down to -- Tris trying to understand what selflessness meant to her and what sacrifice was really about. And Veronica doesn't find it the least bit disturbing that her story is about a teenage girl looking for ways to hand over her life "for the greater good"? The added bonus of Tris doing this "to honor her parents" is what's most frightening of all.

Theresa wrote: "I don't think anyone who isn't a parent can really understand that.
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I'd be careful with such statements. I'm "only" an aunt, but I do understand.
On the other hand, there are - regrettably - plenty of parents in our imperfect world who do not share that willingness to sacrifice all for their children.

Kristen wrote: "I doubt she ever would write an alternate ending, since as was said, she had that specific ending in mind when she wrote the series, but I'd be interested in a completely different last book, sinc..."

I agree. It's not the ending, it is the whole book. Just doesn't fit with the other two. It left me with more questions than answers in the end.

I don't think the issue is about whether a parent would sacrifice for a child. Of course they would. The problem is in Veronica's interpretations of how one would honor that sacrifice. If Veronica's not having any children is at all relevant, it's because she apparently doesn't get that a parent would never, ever want their children to sacrifice themselves for their sake. Veronica seems to think it's "honorable" to take your parents' beliefs to heart that way. It is not. No parent would ever feel honored by that. So maybe it's because Veronica is not a parent herself and can't really appreciate how a parent wants their child to live above anything else on earth, or maybe it's an example of her religion coming through and she thinks sacrifice is the most beautifulest specialist thing there is, or maybe it's just because she's an idiot.

there is no point in alternate ending.it's a feat accomplished.bringing back Tris just because fans wanted is too immature.
Tris is not an ordinary main character.she was strong both mentally and physically.she loved what she did.she was compassionate,smart and wonderful.she faced challenges bravely and alone.most female leads are nothing when compared to Tris.all they ever do is whine and complain about their problems.the Tris who should have been immortalized is gone forever.there can never be another Tris,she is rare and special.

I imagine Tris going to heaven and her mom going. WTF we KILLED ouselfs for you. And her dad going. I said she should have gone to abegnation.

Theresa wrote: "I was "only" an aunt for 12 years before I became a mother and I would take a bullet for any one of my nieces or nephews. But, it really isn't the same. It's just not. ..."

Oh dear, what did I start? I assure you I don't feel belittled (mildly patronised at the most), and likewise I'm not belittling your motherly feelings.

Just now it strikes me as rather amusing how readers know better what goes on in fictional characters than those characters' creator herself! ;)

Wanting an alternate ending is not immature. I read for enjoyment (I read 4-5 books a week on average) and I don't always need a happy ending, but a well thought out one is an expectation that I do have. I am sure that VR has her reasons for how she finished off the story, but my issue is that there are so many loose ends that were never wrapped up. I was sure she would have some explanation for why Tris was the way she was and nope, just dead. They were in the Bureau of Genetic Welfare! Hmmmm...maybe and alternate would be that she was David's daughter and all of the inoculations to serums that he gave himself over the years made Tris genetically different. I thought for sure that was the direction that VR was going to go...but no, just dead. I will agree that the ending made me feel like crap. I would not recommend these to my teenage children for that very reason. Why would I want them to read it and feel like I did at the end. I also feel that Summit Entertainment will need to be very careful with how they approach producing these books as movies. I for one will not pay $10-$12 to walk out feeling like crap. Bad enough that I paid to feel that way with the book. I know that with the Twilight Series they had the screen writer change the ending. That was also a series that readers did not like the ending of the last book. Sooooo...I would recommend that they do the same for this series if they want to keep in the good graces of the people who pay the bills.

I think I will try my hand at writing an alternate ending that maybe gives explanation to the loose ends that VR left.

Michelle wrote: "Wanting an alternate ending is not immature. I read for enjoyment (I read 4-5 books a week on average) and I don't always need a happy ending, but a well thought out one is an expectation that I d..."

Michelle, I do agree that wanting an alternative ending is NOT immature. Heck, I'm bordering on Senior Citizen! Like many, I become immersed in the books I read to the point that the characters feel real to me. I just want them to act "in character", and I want a satisfying ending. I feel like there were too many loose ends, too. The whole GP thing felt rushed, and not enough explanation was giving to how cities like Chicago were formed. Four's forgiveness of his mother, and her total acceptance of his terms, also felt rushed and out of character. That's a major turn around for both characters and just...felt false. Hmmm, David as Tris's father as an explanation for her serum immunity...I LIKE that idea! Her immunity was never really touched on or explained. And you are right - the ending left me feeling like crap. No hope for Tobias, either. He might as well be "just dead", too. Even if the main character dies in the end, I would like to leave these characters I've come to "know" on a hopeful note.

Let us know here if you write an alternate ending - I've read a couple and would love to read your take!

I would agree that the book felt rushed in places and that she could have expanded on some things, but overall I think she did a decent job with it. I understood what she was trying to do with Tris's sacrifice and with Four mending his relationship with his mom (although I'll agree that this was not explored even close to enough to really have as strong of an impact as it should have). I don't think the GP/GD thing felt like it wasn't fully explained...it was, completely, entirely. The only way she could have explained it more is if she had gotten more scientific with it, and I'm happy she didn't. I didn't buy a science book, so I don't want it to read like one.

And as for people boycotting the series because of the ending, I think they should get over it. Yeah, the reader has a certain influence over the text in that they affect the interpretation. They make their own from it. But that doesn't mean an author should change their vision just because some people aren't happy that a main character died. What more explanation do you need that Tris was immune to the death serum? We only know as much as we are told, and I don't think any of the characters, including the scientists, fully understood why Tris had immunity to any of the serums. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure that's brought up several times throughout the book. Did everyone miss those parts?

Does that mean that Roth didn't think about it enough? Maybe. Or maybe she just couldn't come up with a reason that felt right or made enough sense. Some might consider that a cop out, but I think it alludes to the idea that some things in life really are a mystery and just can't be fully explained. It's not like things like this don't exist in reality, so why can't they exist in a book too? And especially when it comes to genetics. Do we as humans fully understand the inner workings of our genes and every single facet of what makes us the way we are? Absolutely not. Why are we expecting Roth to have figured this out?

The ending was sad, but it was also hopeful. And that's exactly what the end of a war should feel like, what doing the right thing sometimes feels like, and what life feels like quite often.

Tris's immunity is not explained beyond the vague idea that she just "can" if she wants to, that she is not just divergent but really, really divergent.

That's not an explanation. That's just more vague randomness.

When you write a story, you can't just write a bunch of nonsense and say it works because real life sometimes doesn't make sense either. That's stupid.

Anyway, I don't want an alternate ending to the story. I wholeheartedly agree that, in this precise situation in this last moment, there was absolutely no other way for it go other than for Tris to take Caleb's place. (Whether the sequence of events really needed David to inexplicably appear and shoot her is another matter...) It's the entire storyline and sequence of events that led to the precise situation that I take offense to -- it was contrived and not believable. I don't need an alternate ending because, frankly, the entire damn book needs to be thrown out.

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That was so ridiculously accurate and perfect, brings more tears to my eyes. *sniffle :*(







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does anyone else feel like the last of the new divergent novellas from Tobias' pov is going to be about him falling for another girl? if i'm right, i'm going to be sick

The novellas take place prior to the events of the first book, with the last one supposedly incorporating a little of the first book's timeline.

Lauren wrote: "The novellas take place prior to the events of the first book, with the last one supposedly incorporating a little of the first book's timeline."

oh thank god!! :)

Lauren wrote: "Tris's immunity is not explained beyond the vague idea that she just "can" if she wants to, that she is not just divergent but really, really divergent.

That's not an explanation. That's just mor..."

This is how I felt about it. I still cannot grasp how did the book turn that way. :(