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Did you read them? Do you remember any of the ideas discussed in the group when we read them together? Did you write any reviews that you would be willing to copy to this thread?
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My review of The Story of Mankind:
Didn't read this, just thumbed through it out of curiosity because it's the first winner of the Newbery. The updates, fyi, don't appear to fix the original, but rather just tack on new stuff at the end. It does seem to be charming and interesting enough to deserve accolades *in context* of its time and place. However, there are too many errors, too much Euro-centrism, etc. for it to have much value to modern children. I enjoyed thumbing through it but would not encourage my children to read it.
Didn't read this, just thumbed through it out of curiosity because it's the first winner of the Newbery. The updates, fyi, don't appear to fix the original, but rather just tack on new stuff at the end. It does seem to be charming and interesting enough to deserve accolades *in context* of its time and place. However, there are too many errors, too much Euro-centrism, etc. for it to have much value to modern children. I enjoyed thumbing through it but would not encourage my children to read it.
And that's the only one I managed to read. I might try to read or skim some of the others if I can find them on the Gutenberg Project or some such. Meigs' book is most likely to be of value & interest still, I'm guessing.

Cheryl in CC NV wrote: "My review of The Story of Mankind:
Didn't read this, just thumbed through it out of curiosity because it's the first winner of the Newbery. The updates, fyi, don't appear to fix the ..."
I have not read this either and probably would not be able to get a copy anyhow (one reason I had not been participating is that the older Newbery books except some of the more well-known ones are really difficult to get in Canada even through ILL because our library's ILL only deals with Canadian libraries). But in my opinion, I think that the "Story of Mankind" might be of use in middle grade or even high school history classrooms, especially if covering Euro-centrism or if comparing modern philosophies regarding world-history with late 19th, early 20th century attitudes (but if I had children, I would not likely simply get the book for them and would only even consider the book suitable for children if read with both guidance and discussion).
Didn't read this, just thumbed through it out of curiosity because it's the first winner of the Newbery. The updates, fyi, don't appear to fix the ..."
I have not read this either and probably would not be able to get a copy anyhow (one reason I had not been participating is that the older Newbery books except some of the more well-known ones are really difficult to get in Canada even through ILL because our library's ILL only deals with Canadian libraries). But in my opinion, I think that the "Story of Mankind" might be of use in middle grade or even high school history classrooms, especially if covering Euro-centrism or if comparing modern philosophies regarding world-history with late 19th, early 20th century attitudes (but if I had children, I would not likely simply get the book for them and would only even consider the book suitable for children if read with both guidance and discussion).

The Story of Mankind as a sort of 'meta-history' if you will... good idea, Gundula.
Thanks for the reminder, Carolien. I haven't looked for all the titles yet, but The Old Tobacco Shop: A True Account Of What Befell A Little Boy In Search Of Adventure is indeed on gutenberg.org and I'm ready to start it soon. It's just such an interesting title for a children's book, imo....
Thanks for the reminder, Carolien. I haven't looked for all the titles yet, but The Old Tobacco Shop: A True Account Of What Befell A Little Boy In Search Of Adventure is indeed on gutenberg.org and I'm ready to start it soon. It's just such an interesting title for a children's book, imo....

Thanks for getting all this established again, Cheryl! And thanks to those sharing their thoughts/memories about previous reviews and discussions, and for sparking new ones! I was never very active in the Newbery Club but I'm so glad it is thriving anew!
Thank you, Carolien! (Let's see, that means I can start on my b'day... should be able to remember...)

Hope you had a lovely birthday Cheryl! Would you like to start reading this one soon?
I'm ready, yes, I was thinking about starting today, actually. I suspect that it's short and will take me only a day or two.
Say, I just made the connection - since you're in SA, you actually have a 'summer' b-day - congratulations!
Say, I just made the connection - since you're in SA, you actually have a 'summer' b-day - congratulations!

Many years ago, I started reading The Story of Mankind, but I never did finish it. I simply find most history books dull and boring, even if they are written in a lively, upbeat style. And, in my opinion, there were so many other more interesting books to read at the time, that I did not want to spend time reading that very long book.
I started The Story of Mankind when the group read it, and did not get far into at all before giving up. I just can't believe children would have enjoyed it, even back in the day when there weren't so many other choices.
Ok, I'm about 1/2 done with The Old Tobacco Shop: A True Account Of What Befell A Little Boy In Search Of Adventure. A very strange story. Mostly funny. If it were written now, I'd call it a satire of magical adventure stories.
I'm finding it a bit slow, especially at the beginning as it 1.) started out as if it were going to be too twee, and 2.) is, in many ways, a product of it's time & place, and so there are allusions I need to decipher and research that children of the time would have understood immediately.
Or maybe not. There's a reference to 'capstans fluttering in the breeze' - but I checked, and indeed capstans could not flutter... so that was part of the humor. But would a child then know what capstans are and get the joke?
Also, I question the age of little Freddie. At the beginning of the book he can only say his name as 'Fweddie' but then feels so grown-up when he can pronounce the 'r.' Do any of you know how old children are when they accomplish this enunciation?
I'm finding it a bit slow, especially at the beginning as it 1.) started out as if it were going to be too twee, and 2.) is, in many ways, a product of it's time & place, and so there are allusions I need to decipher and research that children of the time would have understood immediately.
Or maybe not. There's a reference to 'capstans fluttering in the breeze' - but I checked, and indeed capstans could not flutter... so that was part of the humor. But would a child then know what capstans are and get the joke?
Also, I question the age of little Freddie. At the beginning of the book he can only say his name as 'Fweddie' but then feels so grown-up when he can pronounce the 'r.' Do any of you know how old children are when they accomplish this enunciation?

I tested "Freddie" on my two daughters. The 6 year old can say it perfectly, the 4 year old is not quite there, but it is better than "Fweddie".
Not sure if a child would understand the capstans.

Ok, thanks. So, I'm guessing Freddie is about 6, or maybe 7, with the additional clues of what kind of things get his attention, how the adults relate to him, etc.
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Well, I did finish. It's a strange little story. Not sure what's going on. Is there some sort of spiritual allegory, with the quest, and the tower, and the lost & found treasure, and the false identities?
And what did the Newbery committee see in it?
It's well worth reading, and I highly recommend it - but it has to be 'sold' with the right strategy so the reader has a little bit of an idea what to expect. I'm not sure I was ready for something so different from other Newbery winners & honors. And I'm not sure what to say in my review.
Possible Spoilers below:
Well, I did finish. It's a strange little story. Not sure what's going on. Is there some sort of spiritual allegory, with the quest, and the tower, and the lost & found treasure, and the false identities?
And what did the Newbery committee see in it?
It's well worth reading, and I highly recommend it - but it has to be 'sold' with the right strategy so the reader has a little bit of an idea what to expect. I'm not sure I was ready for something so different from other Newbery winners & honors. And I'm not sure what to say in my review.

There could very well be some allegory in the quest and the enchantment. The old Chinese curse of being careful what you wish for also applies.
I still haven't been able to figure out which age group the story was aimed at. Freddie is quite young, but the story is much too complex for a young audience. My daughter would struggle with the vocabulary.
Well worth reading, I agree.
Oh I'm glad you found it worthy of your time!
Maybe the author hoped families would read this together, so there are elements intended to appeal to all ages, and the younger children could get help understanding it.
Maybe the author hoped families would read this together, so there are elements intended to appeal to all ages, and the younger children could get help understanding it.

Here's a great source for anyone trying to get these older books that haven't made it to Project Gutenberg yet:
Meigs' book, for example, is here:
Meigs' book, for example, is here:
Actually, I should admit that I was informed of this source by Michael, in this month's discussion of the 1940 Honor books. Thanks to him! :)
Books mentioned in this topic
The Old Tobacco Shop: A True Account of What Befell a Little Boy in Search of Adventure (other topics)The Story of Mankind (other topics)
The Old Tobacco Shop: A True Account of What Befell a Little Boy in Search of Adventure (other topics)
The Story of Mankind (other topics)
The Windy Hill (other topics)
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Authors mentioned in this topic
Hendrik Willem van Loon (other topics)Charles Boardman Hawes (other topics)
Bernard Marshall (other topics)
William Bowen (other topics)
Padraic Colum (other topics)
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Honors were awarded to:
The Great Quest by Charles Boardman Hawes
Cedric the Forester by Bernard Marshall
The Old Tobacco Shop: A True Account Of What Befell A Little Boy In Search Of Adventure by William Bowen
The Golden Fleece and the Heroes Who Lived Before Achilles by Padraic Colum and
The Windy Hill by Cornelia Meigs