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Justin (justineaton) | 3492 comments Mod
I already posted my final thoughts in a spoiler a couple comments up, I want to know what you think before you read mine though.


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Addy | 1944 comments I was surprised that it was their mother that caught them. I was thinking maybe kit or the young ones. Once I found out it was their mom I knew it was over, but I was soo wrong. It was heartbreaking when kit apologized to lochan and was running after the police cruiser. That's when I cried. When lochan came up with the idea of escaping I didn't think he meant killing himself. Also very sad and tragic. I was really dissapointed when Maya decided to kill herself too. Even though she didn't go through with it, I couldn't help feel how selfish she was being, you know? Its a very hard spot to be in, but tragedy does not solve itself with tragedy. Very painful but well written book. I found so much depth in the story itself.


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Addy | 1944 comments As to your post, maybe laws are different in UK. We should ask Kate. Wow, I didn't think you would hate it that much. I focused more on the tragedy. I don't know why they did or said what they said. Lochan was trying to save Maya, when I think the truth would have been better. There might have been a way to at least keep kit, wila and Tiffin together. I agree it was messed up. I know lochan didn't research their situation as much as he should have. Wish there was more on how the mom found out.


Justin (justineaton) | 3492 comments Mod
The mom found out because kit told her. He knew all along and told on them because he was mad at lochan for talking to his teacher about the scared of heights thing. That is why he was running after the car trying to apologize.


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Addy | 1944 comments Yeah...i was just thinking if there was more to it.


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Justin (justineaton) | 3492 comments Mod
I loved the book right up to the ending, but yes I really hated the ending. It was just completely unbelievable to me in so many ways. I'm ok with it being unhappy especially since I was expecting that, and I have always loved a good tragedy type of story. Someone sacrificing their own life for someone they love can make a great but sad ending but not when it is a pointless suicide. I still think they should have just denied the whole thing. The mom told the police that lochan had raped her and they could have easily shown that she wasn't raped just by being happy, because even if he had raped her and then said I will kill you if you tell she wouldn't be able to not look like someone who just got raped, they would know. How would anyone know what really happened? I looked it up and found out that 16 is the legal age of consent in parts of the uk (couldn't find the specifics for London) so I may be wrong about her not getting in any trouble because she is not an adult but it also says that incest is punishable in the uk for up to a maximum of ten years but it's rarely enforced when it is among consenting adults


Justin (justineaton) | 3492 comments Mod
I know that like me you where rooting for them to be together, do you think this book changed how you feel about consensual incest?


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Justin (justineaton) | 3492 comments Mod
My answer (view spoiler)


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Addy | 1944 comments I know in my heart it is wrong, but in their situation I understand how it could happen. How do you fight that, when its wrong? How do u fight those feelings? I don't have the answer. It reminds me of my friend who is gay. How do u fight those feelings? She says she loves people, not the gender. Its very confusing, and IMO, God is the only one who can judge.


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Addy | 1944 comments It definitely opened up my eyes and I feel like I learned something too.


Justin (justineaton) | 3492 comments Mod
I only have one more question, do you think that feeling of incest being wrong that people automatically have is a biological response that ensures the continuity of a healthy human race (survival of the fittest) or do you think it is a taboo that is drilled into or Heads since from the day we are born by the negative light it always gets in movies, books, etc....


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Addy | 1944 comments Hmm good question. I think its a little of both. Its biology and what we are taught. But how do you explain people marrying their cousins and that one story where 2 daughters get their father drunk so they can sleep with him? I think I remember those from the bible. Its very confusing to me. I think that with deformities, I know its gotta be wrong and just the mere thought of having a relationship with a sibling is just unthinkable. I would think that its normal for ppl to marry out of the family you know? Like you said, survival of the fittest. I hope that makes sense.


Justin (justineaton) | 3492 comments Mod
yea, I agree with it being both. I believe in survival of the fittest and that people born without that natural disgust at the thought of incest will naturally inbred and their kin will over time have enough deformities that they are no longer sexually attractive so no one reproduces with them and their genes die off. Incest does still happen everyday though, maybe the second option of the learned taboo is enough for people who are not born with it to still have it and pass their genes on through the generations without inbreeding and that is why it sometimes still happens when the conditions are right like in this novel?


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Addy | 1944 comments Yeah, I could see that. Sometimes its what you know or because an adult in your life says its ok or takes advantage of you. Then, I guess its abuse.


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