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Actually, was surprisingly easy to vote for the literature one, in most cases I was only familiar with one character so those were a no-brainer, and only in a few cases did I know both (only one was a hard choice though) or know neither.
I don't think there were any on the media one where I didn't know either one, had more places where I had to make an actual choice.


This was one of the toughest for me as well...

I wonder which first round match-up will be closest -- maybe Severus v Bilbo?

I wonder which first round match-up will be closest -- may..."
Why do people like Snape? He's such a scumbag that treats kids like crap and only cares about anything because someone he loved gets killed. Even then he can't treat the child of that person, or any child who isn't in his house, with any sort of decency. Of all the characters in literature people's opinion on Snape is the one that is the biggest mystery. The fact that he loves someone so deeply is not enough to redeem himself in my eyes.
sorry...rant over...

But in both cases, while you're reading, you are forced to question the whole black/white concepts where characters like Harry/Hermione/Ron are clearly white and you never have to suspect them of black, or where Lucius Malfoy/Voldemort are clearly black with no chance of them ever being redeemed. But with Snape you were never sure till the end.
So he's not my favorite character because I'd like to hang out with him, but he's a favorite because he's more interesting than most.
I mean Thomas Covenant is on the list too, he's a rapist and spends all his time complaining and whining. Snape is a saint compared to him.
Now whether to pick Snape over Bilbo is a whole other can of worms!



Elizabeth wrote: "The difference is between the best person, and the best character. E.g. I voted for Covenant because although he was a pretty worthless person, he was a bloody brilliant character."
That I can understand, but there are a lot of people romanticizing him and that i don't understand. I actually really like Raistlin as a character he's very interesting and complex. I'm guessing I dislike Snape so much because I'm seeing him through Harry's eyes so much.
And I can see why he wouldn't like Harry, but the way he treats anyone not in Slytherin is just as bad so it's not just Harry. I was quite happy when he got killed and couldn't think of anyone that deserved it much more than he did.
Stefan wrote: "Thanks for running this! Sorry that I dropped the ball on these but glad to see that it's happening again!"
Hey, Stefan, good to hear from you again! We had a couple of years hiatus, so I figured I'd pick the idea up again.
Hey, Stefan, good to hear from you again! We had a couple of years hiatus, so I figured I'd pick the idea up again.
OK, folks, the polls are closed and the first round is complete.
You can see the results in the updated brackets:
Amazingly, there were no ties, for which I am truly grateful, because I hadn't thought through the tie-breaker.
I'll get the 2nd round of 32 polls up tomorrow.
You can see the results in the updated brackets:
Amazingly, there were no ties, for which I am truly grateful, because I hadn't thought through the tie-breaker.
I'll get the 2nd round of 32 polls up tomorrow.

Now we've got Dumbledore vs. Harry Potter in round 2. Aslan vs. Dracula as well-- probably the most direct contrast in terms of themes and allegories. We'll see where the moral center of this group lies! (Though Ripley beating "Alien" is a good indicator)
Scotty over Kirk was a surprise in the TV one. All the supporting cast (Spock, McCoy) from TOS made it to round 2 but not Kirk-- and Picard made it.

I hope my lobbying against Snape helped!!! :D
Yoda v. Batman was a tough matchup...

Personally, I'm sad Sam Vimes and the Luggage didn't get through! I'm barracking for Death all the way though!

Gonna have some really tough ones next round. The first round I was lucky that in many categories I was only familiar with one of the two, but those were also generally the ones that made it through so many more categories where I'm really going to have to struggle pick!
I was surprised Ship beat Daneel Olivaw. More people have read Aurora than I suspect, or few have read Asimov's robot novels.
FYI, The most-voted items were Gandalf, Aragorn, Bilbo, King Arthur, and Hermione, which had zero abstentions.
The most abstentions were in the Kvothe/Tamas, Raistlin/Cithrin, Jean Tanen/Geder Palliako and Sioned /Michonne. ("no answer" actually won the former.) All of those had less than 2/3 response.
The most abstentions were in the Kvothe/Tamas, Raistlin/Cithrin, Jean Tanen/Geder Palliako and Sioned /Michonne. ("no answer" actually won the former.) All of those had less than 2/3 response.


I really liked Silk as well but Neville is a fan favorite, from a bumbling little kid to a key member of the resistance. Wish there had been more on his transformation in the series.
This year we have two tournament brackets:
The first round is now open for you to vote on your favorite characters!
Vote for your favorite literary characters:
Vote for favorite movie & television characters:
(Why are there two parts to each poll? I couldn't find a free survey site that let me ask 32 questions in one survey. SogoSurvey came close with 30. Missed it by that much.)
So, get voting, and I'll collect the results Friday (March 9) and let the victors move on to round 2!