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The Great Gatsby by F. Scott Fitzgerald (Anything Goes BOM); Start Date December 20, 2014
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I am doing the audio from my Overdrive as well.
I did not see the date today! I'll get right on it.
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We're a bit earlier than usual due to Christmas
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Karen, I agree. I am thoroughly enjoying the re-read. I just love how lyrical the writing is. Beautiful.
I am surprised to say that I agree as well....so far. Perhaps my tastes have matured since I was twelve (I guess I should hope so), but so far I am enjoying it more than I'd expected, especially the writing.
Just want to make sure I'm not missing where the DQs are posted...it's my first read with the group! Thanks!
Oh I just saw I have the first set of DQs. They are gonna be a little late. I will have to post them tomorrow. I won't be able to tonight.
Huh. Library has all the copies checked out. Wonder why they only stock 2 copies of books kids read for Highschool english. Was wondering why it hadn't come in yet. Will catch up when I can.
Kelly wrote: "Huh. Library has all the copies checked out. Wonder why they only stock 2 copies of books kids read for Highschool english. Was wondering why it hadn't come in yet. Will catch up when I can."You can get the book for free here.
huh, haven't seen that one before.Thanks
Just saw this but if you have a Kindle, I just got all (or most) of Fitzgerald's work for $1 on Amazon. :)
Hi everyone! So I have my DQs ready. Should I wait until we have the first set all up?
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Thanks"
It's also available on kindle for free (well in Aus anyway). Here is the link:
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Yes please Taryn - we are waiting on Sarah for day 1
Karen wrote: "Kelly wrote: "huh, haven't seen that one before.Thanks"
It's also available on kindle for free (well in Aus anyway)"
Not free on Amazon US, but I do see the collection that Dani referenced for $0.99....just the single book is $3.99....hmmm wonder which one to buy?! If it isn't valuable from library in next day or two I'll be buying it for $0.99!
Tara Jo wrote: "Karen wrote: "Kelly wrote: "huh, haven't seen that one before.Thanks"
It's also available on kindle for free (well in Aus anyway)"
Not free on Amazon US, but I do see the collection that Dani re..."
Haha I was pretty excited to find it. And I've surprised myself by actually enjoying Fitzgerald's writing this time around, so I'm looking forward to reading some of his other works later.
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Ok Sarah, I'll give you a couple more hours, but then I'll have to post from the mods as we are now well over a day late and with Christmas we need to get the ball rolling.
Oh sorry - I am here now. I had a chance to get the audio listened to today, the beginning portion, all though there are no chapters so is was not totally clear when to stop. But I got the questions. Thank you everybody for your patience. I had to work a twelve hour shift yesterday and have been trying to get ready for Christmas. I know excuses, excuses. It has been crazy and I work Christmas Eve so I gotta get prepared early for Santa's arrival Chistmas morning.Merry Christmas everyone.
Chapter 1 - 31) Is this the first time reading it for you, or is it a re read? If it is a re read, have your impressions changed so far, are you feeling differently this time around?
2) We have been introduced to Daisy Buchanan - any first impressions of her character?
3) What about Tom Buchanan?
4) When Daisy is talking to Nick about the day her daughter was born, she told him that she hoped her daughter would grow up to be a fool, a beautiful fool. What does this mean to you?
5) What are your thoughts on Nick going to hang out with Tom and his mistress behind his cousin's (Daisy) back?
6) How do you think having Nick Caraway narrate serve this story?
7) Nick states in the beginning that everything he finds loathsome and despises in the filthy rich he somehow does not feel toward Gatsby. Gatsby is somehow held exempt. Any ideas yet on why this is?
8) I have read many times The Great Gatsby referred to as the great American novel. I know we are only to the first section, but so far do you have any ideas on what that means or why this is?
Chapter 1 - 31) Is this the first time reading it for you, or is it a re read? If it is a re read, have your impressions changed so far, are you feeling differently this time around?
This is a re-read for me. I've read this book several times and each time I take something different away from it. My perspective changes as I age.
2) We have been introduced to Daisy Buchanan - any first impressions of her character?
What strikes me this time around is how shallow Daisy appears to be, or at least how shallow she expects everyone to think she is. The scene when Nick comes to visit and she is lounging around with Jordan especially. She seems to poke fun at her life of excess, but she is willing to tolerate Tom's affair to keep it.
3) What about Tom Buchanan?
Arrogant and privileged. Just as Nick remembered him at New Haven. Selfish, selfish, selfish.
4) When Daisy is talking to Nick about the day her daughter was born, she told him that she hoped her daughter would grow up to be a fool, a beautiful fool. What does this mean to you?
Daisy understands that she is selling a bit of her soul to live her life and be the person she is. A beautiful fool would blithely live without wondering or questioning, and everyone would love her because of her beauty.
5) What are your thoughts on Nick going to hang out with Tom and his mistress behind his cousin's (Daisy) back?
Nick is the conscience of the story. He is the observer. He is passive, and seems to be along for the ride, no matter what his life gives him at this point.
6) How do you think having Nick Caraway narrate serve this story? Like I said above. He is the conscience. The observer. He's an observer in his own life instead of really living it.
7) Nick states in the beginning that everything he finds loathsome and despises in the filthy rich he somehow does not feel toward Gatsby. Gatsby is somehow held exempt. Any ideas yet on why this is?Nick sees Gatsby in a different life. He seems to see through his false bravado for who he really is inside, even from the moment he sees him standing on the lawn reaching for the green light.
8) I have read many times The Great Gatsby referred to as the great American novel. I know we are only to the first section, but so far do you have any ideas on what the means or why this is?
Written during the "roaring 20s", Fitzgerald captured the excess of this time in America. It really showcases the opulence before the Great Depression of the 30s and how much society was changing.
Do you mind if I put my questions up now? I'm not sure I'll have the time tomorrow and I don't want to miss my opportunity.
You go girl. Thanks for waiting on me. I think I am gonna get more from this book this time around and also from watching the movie a few years ago. I really didn't remember the story from reading in High school, but I remembered hating it. I don't know why? I remember not liking the characters.
hapter 1 - 3
1) Is this the first time reading it for you, or is it a re read? If it is a re read, have your impressions changed so far, are you feeling differently this time around?
I have read this book five times. I started out hating it, probably because I read it for class, meaning I was forced to read it. But when I started reading on my own and looking at notes from class at my own pace, I started loving it. Now I find it incredibly smart and a really good representation of early American literature.
2) We have been introduced to Daisy Buchanan - any first impressions of her character?
Poor Daisy seems really stuck to me. She grew up in this flippant way with money basically bred into her, and she can't escape it, doesn't want to escape it, but somehow knows the way she is isn't right. It's almost like she's constantly having an argument with herself, but she doesn't know whose side she's on.
3) What about Tom Buchanan?
Just as miserable as Daisy. He is strange because he really wants to be educated, but is never really smart enough to get where he wants to be. So instead he makes sweeping generalizations and lazy connections. He articulates his thoughts so artlessly that we really see what a brute he is right from the beginning.
4) When Daisy is talking to Nick about the day her daughter was born, she told him that she hoped her daughter would grow up to be a fool, a beautiful fool. What does this mean to you?
Ignorance is bliss. Especially for women in any patriarchal society. But, I think it is also more than that. Daisy knows her life is missing something but can't really grasp what. It isn't love, per se, in my opinion. It's something bigger than that- purpose maybe? I think Daisy knows that fools don't need a purpose to be happy. So she hopes this for her daughter.
5) What are your thoughts on Nick going to hang out with Tom and his mistress behind his cousin's (Daisy) back?
He's interesting because he's full of contradictions. He keeps judging all these people about their awful New Yorky-ness and filthiness, and he really doesn't like these people either, but at the same time his descriptions are often full of awe and are verging on a weird respect for their bohemian way. But..he never really does anything honorable, does he. Hmm.
6) How do you think having Nick Caraway narrate serve this story?
I think Nick is a great vehicle for the story because he is both like these characters and unlike them. He effortlessly fits in with them, but he has a contempt for them as well.
7) Nick states in the beginning that everything he finds loathsome and despises in the filthy rich he somehow does not feel toward Gatsby. Gatsby is somehow held exempt. Any ideas yet on why this is?
Gatsby is a showboat, and I think this saves him for Nick (if not for the rest of us). If Gatsby really held stock in his possessions (the way maybe Tom does), Nick would despise him just as much as everybody else. But Gatsby's possessions seem almost more "American" to Nick. They are representations of class mobility, hope, and determination, rather than greed.
8) I have read many times The Great Gatsby referred to as the great American novel. I know we are only to the first section, but so far do you have any ideas on what that means or why this is?
I think part of the reason I mentioned in the last question. But also, it really does represent the idea of America splitting off from the Old World and becoming its own entity. It embodies the culture of freedom and upward mobility that class societies were not initiated in. (Of course, this is all based on the assumption that 'America' is mostly just for white people. I think Fitzgerald does try to sneak in other minorities to show that everyone has a chance in America, but that wasn't the purpose of his book). On the other hand, the book evaluates how this upward mobility, identity through material things, and constant need for success can lead us into empty lives, shady means of acquiring wealth, and little in the way of happiness.
1) Is this the first time reading it for you, or is it a re read? If it is a re read, have your impressions changed so far, are you feeling differently this time around?
I have read this book five times. I started out hating it, probably because I read it for class, meaning I was forced to read it. But when I started reading on my own and looking at notes from class at my own pace, I started loving it. Now I find it incredibly smart and a really good representation of early American literature.
2) We have been introduced to Daisy Buchanan - any first impressions of her character?
Poor Daisy seems really stuck to me. She grew up in this flippant way with money basically bred into her, and she can't escape it, doesn't want to escape it, but somehow knows the way she is isn't right. It's almost like she's constantly having an argument with herself, but she doesn't know whose side she's on.
3) What about Tom Buchanan?
Just as miserable as Daisy. He is strange because he really wants to be educated, but is never really smart enough to get where he wants to be. So instead he makes sweeping generalizations and lazy connections. He articulates his thoughts so artlessly that we really see what a brute he is right from the beginning.
4) When Daisy is talking to Nick about the day her daughter was born, she told him that she hoped her daughter would grow up to be a fool, a beautiful fool. What does this mean to you?
Ignorance is bliss. Especially for women in any patriarchal society. But, I think it is also more than that. Daisy knows her life is missing something but can't really grasp what. It isn't love, per se, in my opinion. It's something bigger than that- purpose maybe? I think Daisy knows that fools don't need a purpose to be happy. So she hopes this for her daughter.
5) What are your thoughts on Nick going to hang out with Tom and his mistress behind his cousin's (Daisy) back?
He's interesting because he's full of contradictions. He keeps judging all these people about their awful New Yorky-ness and filthiness, and he really doesn't like these people either, but at the same time his descriptions are often full of awe and are verging on a weird respect for their bohemian way. But..he never really does anything honorable, does he. Hmm.
6) How do you think having Nick Caraway narrate serve this story?
I think Nick is a great vehicle for the story because he is both like these characters and unlike them. He effortlessly fits in with them, but he has a contempt for them as well.
7) Nick states in the beginning that everything he finds loathsome and despises in the filthy rich he somehow does not feel toward Gatsby. Gatsby is somehow held exempt. Any ideas yet on why this is?
Gatsby is a showboat, and I think this saves him for Nick (if not for the rest of us). If Gatsby really held stock in his possessions (the way maybe Tom does), Nick would despise him just as much as everybody else. But Gatsby's possessions seem almost more "American" to Nick. They are representations of class mobility, hope, and determination, rather than greed.
8) I have read many times The Great Gatsby referred to as the great American novel. I know we are only to the first section, but so far do you have any ideas on what that means or why this is?
I think part of the reason I mentioned in the last question. But also, it really does represent the idea of America splitting off from the Old World and becoming its own entity. It embodies the culture of freedom and upward mobility that class societies were not initiated in. (Of course, this is all based on the assumption that 'America' is mostly just for white people. I think Fitzgerald does try to sneak in other minorities to show that everyone has a chance in America, but that wasn't the purpose of his book). On the other hand, the book evaluates how this upward mobility, identity through material things, and constant need for success can lead us into empty lives, shady means of acquiring wealth, and little in the way of happiness.
Sarah wrote: "You go girl. Thanks for waiting on me. I think I am gonna get more from this book this time around and also from watching the movie a few years ago. I really didn't remember the story from reading ..."
Your questions were awesome!! And no worries. I only got lucky and checked this in time. I am sooo far behind on other thread stuff lol
Your questions were awesome!! And no worries. I only got lucky and checked this in time. I am sooo far behind on other thread stuff lol
BOM Questions: Chapters 4-6
1. I think one of the main reasons I didn’t particularly like reading this in class was that younger people tend to glorify the wealth and leisure in the book. However, when I read, I tend to think wealth and leisure are being demonized and/or criticized. What phrases or quotes have you found that capture these two conflicting ideas? Do you think the tone of the narrator influences us in either direction?
2. In Chapter 4, we see that Gatsby carries around little souvenirs of his past. Why do you think he is inclined to do so? We see that Jordan doesn’t believe in the stories about Oxford and, at first, neither does our narrator. Why not? After we see how honest Gatsby has been in trying to meet Daisy again (at the end of Chapter 4), does it make him seem more believable or less?
3. Geography plays a decidedly important role in this book. What descriptions of geography/city/landscape in chapters 4-6 symbolize something more than just setting?
4. Describe how you view Jordan Baker. What is her role/purpose in this novel? Why is our narrator drawn to her?
5. Do you find the relationship between Gatsby and Daisy romantic? If not, explain why. If so, what does she symbolize to him besides just love?
6. Describe how Chapters 4 and 5 portray America in the 20s. Some suggestions of topics: the dichotomy between old and new wealth, British influence, the promise of the American dream, and/or the rise of mob culture.
7. What does Dan Cody offer James Gatz? What does this opportunity say about Gatsby’s relationship with the people around him—especially Daisy?
8. Bonus! If anybody has read a biography about F Scott Fitzgerald or his wife, Zelda, how do you see this book reflecting or contrasting with their own lives?
1. I think one of the main reasons I didn’t particularly like reading this in class was that younger people tend to glorify the wealth and leisure in the book. However, when I read, I tend to think wealth and leisure are being demonized and/or criticized. What phrases or quotes have you found that capture these two conflicting ideas? Do you think the tone of the narrator influences us in either direction?
2. In Chapter 4, we see that Gatsby carries around little souvenirs of his past. Why do you think he is inclined to do so? We see that Jordan doesn’t believe in the stories about Oxford and, at first, neither does our narrator. Why not? After we see how honest Gatsby has been in trying to meet Daisy again (at the end of Chapter 4), does it make him seem more believable or less?
3. Geography plays a decidedly important role in this book. What descriptions of geography/city/landscape in chapters 4-6 symbolize something more than just setting?
4. Describe how you view Jordan Baker. What is her role/purpose in this novel? Why is our narrator drawn to her?
5. Do you find the relationship between Gatsby and Daisy romantic? If not, explain why. If so, what does she symbolize to him besides just love?
6. Describe how Chapters 4 and 5 portray America in the 20s. Some suggestions of topics: the dichotomy between old and new wealth, British influence, the promise of the American dream, and/or the rise of mob culture.
7. What does Dan Cody offer James Gatz? What does this opportunity say about Gatsby’s relationship with the people around him—especially Daisy?
8. Bonus! If anybody has read a biography about F Scott Fitzgerald or his wife, Zelda, how do you see this book reflecting or contrasting with their own lives?
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1) Is this the first time reading it for you, or is it a re read? If it is a re read, have your impressions changed so far, are you feeling differently this time around?
I read this last year before the movie was released and I thought it was pretty good, but didn't really understand the whole "classic" thing. Since that time I have read more about Zelda and F.Scott and that has really given me a different perspective I think. I now see so much of Zelda in Daisy and so much of their relationship in that of Tom and Daisy. I'm enjoying it much much more
2) We have been introduced to Daisy Buchanan - any first impressions of her character?
I didn't like her in my first read, but I'm finding now I think about her more as Zelda I have much more empathy!
3) What about Tom Buchanan?
Arrogant and pig headed...pretty unlike-able really
4) When Daisy is talking to Nick about the day her daughter was born, she told him that she hoped her daughter would grow up to be a fool, a beautiful fool. What does this mean to you?
I love this line ; and it is attributed to Zelda. I completely understand this sentiment as for the time it would have been better to be a beautiful fool because opportunities were so limited
5) What are your thoughts on Nick going to hang out with Tom and his mistress behind his cousin's (Daisy) back?
He isn't close to Daisy so I don't see this as a problem, especially as she is aware of the mistress(es)
6) How do you think having Nick Caraway narrate serve this story?
I love this outsider-looking-in approach because their lives are just so surreal. If it was Tom or Daisy or Gatsby narrating the reader would not be able to relate
7) Nick states in the beginning that everything he finds loathsome and despises in the filthy rich he somehow does not feel toward Gatsby. Gatsby is somehow held exempt. Any ideas yet on why this is?
I wondered if it was just that Gatsby was vulnerable and he picked up on that. Not arrogant like Tom. And very lonely
8) I have read many times The Great Gatsby referred to as the great American novel. I know we are only to the first section, but so far do you have any ideas on what that means or why this is?
I think this is more about the fascination with F.Scott and Zelda at the time to be honest ; and then how this novel plays into the American individualism at a time that was heading straight into the Great Depression
Chapter 1 - 31) This is my first time reading the book. I owned it already and had been meaning to read it forever. This time of year is great for a quick read.
2)She seems quite stuck up and snotty but I like to think that most people like this are really just lacking something else they need or want. They act like this to distract themselves and others from other faults. I am curious if we will find more about her past.
3) Cheaters....ugh. He has all the stuck up faults and then he is "entitled" to more than one woman too?
4) If she isn't intelligent, if she is just wrapped up in the superficial things, maybe she won't realize all the terrible things in the world.
5) He kind of got forced into this. He seemed fairly uncomfortable but that is one awkward situation to be in. I would have liked him to let Tom have it but that would have been a bit out of character for him I suppose.
6) it's interesting because he always seems kind of out of place but the others don't seem to think so. I like him as a narrator.
7) Not sure yet. Although they do have the similarity of having been to war at the same time and that does something to equalize people.
8) It does kind of show something about how Americans live and what they idealize but I need to read more to answer this question i think.
@ Taryn and Chelsi. In response to question 8 I think you are hitting the nail on the head with this one. I do think it is the all American novel because it is the depiction of America and what it values. But these values don't end up doing much to feed the soul and nurture the community. This value of Capitalism - money and beauty and celebrity -it rings true then as much as now and we are seeing the effects of individuals, people are lonely, depressed, narcissistic. These ideals of beauty causing all kinds of body image issues. People connecting more and more through social media, and not with the people right in front of them, kids glued to video games instead of playing outside. Corporations running our politics. Putting our old people away in homes instead of being cared for by families. We idolize pro athletes and celebrities and they get paid butt load amounts of money. People are disconnected. The things we idolize don't bring happiness. I think a lot of people feel empty, like what many of the characters in the book represent to me, and I think there is a lot of complacency. Maybe the American Dream is just a farce after all.
Sarah wrote: "@ Taryn and Chelsi. In response to question 8 I think you are hitting the nail on the head with this one. I do think it is the all American novel because it is the depiction of America and what it ..."
There are definitely flaws in a capitalistic society, just as every society has its problems. But since I LOVE politics and don't want to get into my favorite political debates, I'll concentrate on the book. LOL
I think the problem with the American Dream, as we see in Gatsby, is that the 'dream' is an endpoint. We think that we are working towards some sort of all-encompassing, satisfying end. In that way, we forget that living is the part that matters or in as the cliche goes...the journey. And so we waste a lot of time just trying to get some place that doesn't really exist and miss out on a lot in the process.
There are definitely flaws in a capitalistic society, just as every society has its problems. But since I LOVE politics and don't want to get into my favorite political debates, I'll concentrate on the book. LOL
I think the problem with the American Dream, as we see in Gatsby, is that the 'dream' is an endpoint. We think that we are working towards some sort of all-encompassing, satisfying end. In that way, we forget that living is the part that matters or in as the cliche goes...the journey. And so we waste a lot of time just trying to get some place that doesn't really exist and miss out on a lot in the process.
I finally was able to find the quote and copy it - I think this was the opening of the book, alas audio doesn't have the advantage of going back to the written word so easily. “In my younger and more vulnerable years my father gave me some advice that I’ve been turning over in my mind ever since.
‘Whenever you feel like criticizing any one,� he told me, ‘just remember that all the people in this world haven’t had the advantages that you’ve had.’�
To me all the empty shallow characters, that have amassed wealth or come from money/old money, living a life of such privilege that only very few can reach, is they are lacking in one such vital characteristic, well maybe two, that is essential to connection and happiness that all the luxury in the world can't buy, and that is humility and empathy. Without these people are detached. That is how I felt about Daisy - detached. And lack of empathy, isn't that like a problem with sociopaths? To have privilege is one thing, to understand that privilege is another. But anyway, this is kind of what I took away from what Mr.Calloway senior was trying to pass on to his son.
Bother.I thought this started today!
Thanks for the questions I will catch up!
1) Is this the first time reading it for you, or is it a re read? If it is a re read, have your impressions changed so far, are you feeling differently this time around?Yes this is my first time reading the book.
2) We have been introduced to Daisy Buchanan - any first impressions of her character?
She seems a bit superficial.
3) What about Tom Buchanan?
really arrogant. the kind of people you want to slap in the face every time they open their mouth.
4) When Daisy is talking to Nick about the day her daughter was born, she told him that she hoped her daughter would grow up to be a fool, a beautiful fool. What does this mean to you?
I'm not sure what she meant by it.
5) What are your thoughts on Nick going to hang out with Tom and his mistress behind his cousin's (Daisy) back?
It's like he's just going with the flow. Judging everyone on the way, but doing nothing to show others what he thinks about what's happening.
6) How do you think having Nick Caraway narrate serve this story?
You have the eye of an outsider, making everything a bit absurd.
7) Nick states in the beginning that everything he finds loathsome and despises in the filthy rich he somehow does not feel toward Gatsby. Gatsby is somehow held exempt. Any ideas yet on why this is?
nope
8) I have read many times The Great Gatsby referred to as the great American novel. I know we are only to the first section, but so far do you have any ideas on what that means or why this is?
hmm, I need to read more to answer this question
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1. I think one of the main reasons I didn’t particularly like reading this in class was that younger people tend to glorify the wealth and leisure in the book. However, when I read, I tend to think wealth and leisure are being demonized and/or criticized. What phrases or quotes have you found that capture these two conflicting ideas? Do you think the tone of the narrator influences us in either direction?
I think they are being criticised, particularly at the end (don't read past here if you haven't read the book!(view spoiler)
2. In Chapter 4, we see that Gatsby carries around little souvenirs of his past. Why do you think he is inclined to do so? We see that Jordan doesn’t believe in the stories about Oxford and, at first, neither does our narrator. Why not? After we see how honest Gatsby has been in trying to meet Daisy again (at the end of Chapter 4), does it make him seem more believable or less?
I think it humanises Gatsby, but perhaps doesn't mean he still isn't lying. I think they don't believe him because he is too "new money"
3. Geography plays a decidedly important role in this book. What descriptions of geography/city/landscape in chapters 4-6 symbolize something more than just setting?
I love the whole west egg ; east egg idea. And how they talk about east and west in the country too. I'm sure there is more symbolism here ;)
4. Describe how you view Jordan Baker. What is her role/purpose in this novel? Why is our narrator drawn to her?
I've never really felt much about her actually. Now I wonder why
5. Do you find the relationship between Gatsby and Daisy romantic? If not, explain why. If so, what does she symbolize to him besides just love?
Hmmm. I think it was many years ago and he hasn't moved on. So more than anything he is bordering on creepy for not wanting to let go
6. Describe how Chapters 4 and 5 portray America in the 20s. Some suggestions of topics: the dichotomy between old and new wealth, British influence, the promise of the American dream, and/or the rise of mob culture.
Sorry, I'm not American and I haven't studied enough about American history to competently comment!
7. What does Dan Cody offer James Gatz? What does this opportunity say about Gatsby’s relationship with the people around him—especially Daisy?
He gave him the opportunity and the belief in himself to be Jay Gatsby. I think he is still genuine with Daisy, but everyone else is superficial and he actually likes it that way
8. Bonus! If anybody has read a biography about F Scott Fitzgerald or his wife, Zelda, how do you see this book reflecting or contrasting with their own lives?
I see a lot of them in the Buchanans. Daisy in particular as she is "trapped" in this marriage, but also enjoys it being just so. Their child is just on the periphery and they compete for each other's attention
Thanks for the questions, Sarah! Here are my thoughts. 1) Is this the first time reading it for you, or is it a re read? If it is a re read, have your impressions changed so far, are you feeling differently this time around?
I've read it a couple times and agree with Michelle that my perspective changes as I age. The beauty of Fitzgerald's writing struck me this time; the way he describes Daisy's voice and the other characters' habits and the scenery is phenomenal.
2) We have been introduced to Daisy Buchanan - any first impressions of her character?
She strikes me as incredibly histrionic. And I found myself thinking, wow, that must take a lot of effort trying to be adorable all the time. It seems like she has moments where she resents the role she finds herself in and acts out.
3) What about Tom Buchanan?
Despicable. I'm sure we all know people like Tom! He's very impressed with himself despite having done nothing particularly noteworthy. I find it absurd how he's so quick to criticize Gatsby and how Gatsby came upon his fortune; at least he worked for it!
4) When Daisy is talking to Nick about the day her daughter was born, she told him that she hoped her daughter would grow up to be a fool, a beautiful fool. What does this mean to you?
Daisy knows better than anyone that sometimes staying at the surface where things are bright and shiny and it's all rainbows and sunshine is the easiest place to be. She might see the ability to think deeply as a curse, because doing so would force her to recognize the situation she's in as unacceptable...and that's the last thing she wants to do. Much easier to float along and smile pretty.
5) What are your thoughts on Nick going to hang out with Tom and his mistress behind his cousin's (Daisy) back?
It struck me what a pompous ass Tom is to feel no need to hide his mistress from Nick.
6) How do you think having Nick Caraway narrate serve this story?
Nick is an interesting narrator. At some point he claims to be an honest one, but I don't buy it.
7) Nick states in the beginning that everything he finds loathsome and despises in the filthy rich he somehow does not feel toward Gatsby. Gatsby is somehow held exempt. Any ideas yet on why this is?
My guess is that Gatsby has done something (even if it was shady) to earn his money. I also think that Nick views Gatsby differently because he sees that it's not about the money; it's about Daisy. The money is a vehicle to get to her (although I say that recognizing that part of what she represents to him is achieving a certain lifestyle).
8) I have read many times The Great Gatsby referred to as the great American novel. I know we are only to the first section, but so far do you have any ideas on what that means or why this is?
I think it's referred to as the great American novel because it's all about the great American dream. Gatsby epitomizes the striving for something more.
BOM Questions: Chapters 4-61. I think one of the main reasons I didn’t particularly like reading this in class was that younger people tend to glorify the wealth and leisure in the book. However, when I read, I tend to think wealth and leisure are being demonized and/or criticized. What phrases or quotes have you found that capture these two conflicting ideas? Do you think the tone of the narrator influences us in either direction?
I agree that wealth and leisure are being demonized. To me, the aspect of the book that makes this most clear is that Tom Buchanan, the character we most despise � and who Fitzgerald wants us to hate � epitomizes wealth and leisure. Some of my favorite moments in the book are when you can see Tom straining to think and to communicate a “big idea� and completely bombing it. It’s as though his brain has thoroughly turned to mush.
2. In Chapter 4, we see that Gatsby carries around little souvenirs of his past. Why do you think he is inclined to do so? We see that Jordan doesn’t believe in the stories about Oxford and, at first, neither does our narrator. Why not? After we see how honest Gatsby has been in trying to meet Daisy again (at the end of Chapter 4), does it make him seem more believable or less?
I think the medals are proof that he has achieved something real. I would imagine that having a reminder that he’s done something meaningful would matter to him � and it can’t hurt to have proof of parts of his past since he seems to be constantly questioned about it!
Regarding Oxford, I think it’s human nature to question anyone who’s had wild success or whose life seems too good to be true. Doing so makes us feel better in comparison.
3. Geography plays a decidedly important role in this book. What descriptions of geography/city/landscape in chapters 4-6 symbolize something more than just setting?
There’s a line I love about the Queensboro Bridge: “the city seen from the QB is always the city seen for the first time, in its first wild promise of all the mystery and beauty in the world.�
4. Describe how you view Jordan Baker. What is her role/purpose in this novel? Why is our narrator drawn to her?
Jordan is a great contrast to Daisy because she’s achieved a degree of independence and fame in her own right, whereas Daisy is completely dependent. I think Nick is drawn to her strength & confidence.
5. Do you find the relationship between Gatsby and Daisy romantic? If not, explain why. If so, what does she symbolize to him besides just love?
I do find it romantic. I think it’s easy to relate to wondering about someone in your past and fantasizing about how perfect life would be if only that person were in it! But I also think that kind of thinking is dangerous, and Gatsby shows us why. I love that line, “there must have been moments even that afternoon when Daisy tumbled short of his dreams.� Daisy becomes more than a woman or a romantic partner; she symbolizes the lifestyle Gatsby wants to achieve as well as his way to know that he’s finally good enough.
6. Describe how Chapters 4 and 5 portray America in the 20s. Some suggestions of topics: the dichotomy between old and new wealth, British influence, the promise of the American dream, and/or the rise of mob culture.
Hmmm...will think on this!
7. What does Dan Cody offer James Gatz? What does this opportunity say about Gatsby’s relationship with the people around him—especially Daisy?
Cody offers Gatz a glimpse into the world he idolizes. Part 2...I'll have to think more on that!
8. Bonus! If anybody has read a biography about F Scott Fitzgerald or his wife, Zelda, how do you see this book reflecting or contrasting with their own lives?
From the little I know about F. Scott Fitzgerald, he never seemed to feel quite good enough - even after publishing a wildly successful novel (not TGG but This Side of Paradise). I see many similarities between Fitzgerald and Gatsby; namely, the idea that you can have all the trappings of success but still feel like that poor farmboy.
1. I think one of the main reasons I didn’t particularly like reading this in class was that younger people tend to glorify the wealth and leisure in the book. However, when I read, I tend to think wealth and leisure are being demonized and/or criticized. What phrases or quotes have you found that capture these two conflicting ideas? Do you think the tone of the narrator influences us in either direction? Hm I wish I had known this question while reading so I could have some exact quotes to share. I think the narrator's tone almost makes him seem a bit confliced on the issue himself. Sometimes he seems annoyed with the over the top ways of his friends while other times he seems to take their side.
2. In Chapter 4, we see that Gatsby carries around little souvenirs of his past. Why do you think he is inclined to do so? We see that Jordan doesn’t believe in the stories about Oxford and, at first, neither does our narrator. Why not? After we see how honest Gatsby has been in trying to meet Daisy again (at the end of Chapter 4), does it make him seem more believable or less?
I think maybe he is insecure about his past and feels like he constantly needs to prove himself to others and himself. This is his way of reminding himself that hey youre sucessful and important to.
3. They seem to dwell on water a lot. Whether it is the weather, swimming pools, or the Long island sound. Water is every changing and fluid. Maybe the author is trying to tell us something with that.
4. She is a little boring to me. That being said, she seems very independent which i think is why Nick likes her so much. I agree with J.A. in that she is a great contrast to Daisy.
5. It seems like maybe they had some romance but I don't know that reading now I can feel the romance in that way you can when you read a romance novel. it is definetly more subtle. I think she fills a female role in his life that he may have felt like he was lacking. She gives him something to work for, something he cannot buy.
6. Describe how Chapters 4 and 5 portray America in the 20s. Some suggestions of topics: the dichotomy between old and new wealth, British influence, the promise of the American dream, and/or the rise of mob culture.
The promise of the American dream can be seen a bit in Gatsby trying to reel Nick into some business. Nick is not interested but you can tell that Gatsby thinks he is crazy to not try to climb the economic ladder
7. What does Dan Cody offer James Gatz? What does this opportunity say about Gatsby’s relationship with the people around him—especially Daisy?
He is definetely trying to lure him in with that shiny lifestyle. I think this says a lot about his priorities in a relationship
8. Bonus! If anybody has read a biography about F Scott Fitzgerald or his wife, Zelda, how do you see this book reflecting or contrasting with their own lives?
Thanks to the flu I am late on starting this one. I am interested to see how I react to reading it willingly as an adult rather than forced to as a teenager
1. I think one of the main reasons I didn’t particularly like reading this in class was that younger people tend to glorify the wealth and leisure in the book. However, when I read, I tend to think wealth and leisure are being demonized and/or criticized. What phrases or quotes have you found that capture these two conflicting ideas? Do you think the tone of the narrator influences us in either direction? I haven't been looking at quotes in particular. but the narrator definitely helps.
2. In Chapter 4, we see that Gatsby carries around little souvenirs of his past. Why do you think he is inclined to do so? We see that Jordan doesn’t believe in the stories about Oxford and, at first, neither does our narrator. Why not? After we see how honest Gatsby has been in trying to meet Daisy again (at the end of Chapter 4), does it make him seem more believable or less?
I have a lot of difficulties to understand the character of Gatsby. Maybe because I'm not really into the story.
3. Geography plays a decidedly important role in this book. What descriptions of geography/city/landscape in chapters 4-6 symbolize something more than just setting?
It might be the case. I see a lot of extravagance in the setting as well as in the character.
4. Describe how you view Jordan Baker. What is her role/purpose in this novel? Why is our narrator drawn to her?
She's independent, that's maybe why he's so drawn to her.
5. Do you find the relationship between Gatsby and Daisy romantic? If not, explain why. If so, what does she symbolize to him besides just love?
yes it is. Not sure about the symbol here.
6. Describe how Chapters 4 and 5 portray America in the 20s. Some suggestions of topics: the dichotomy between old and new wealth, British influence, the promise of the American dream, and/or the rise of mob culture.
The American dream is definitely present here.
7. What does Dan Cody offer James Gatz? What does this opportunity say about Gatsby’s relationship with the people around him—especially Daisy?
not sure how to answer that.
8. Bonus! If anybody has read a biography about F Scott Fitzgerald or his wife, Zelda, how do you see this book reflecting or contrasting with their own lives?
haven't read it.
I find that I have a lot of difficulties answering these questions today. I'm not really getting into the story :( Maybe I'm not in the right mood, or it is the stress of the exams that are coming for me.
BOM Questions Ch 1-3
1) Is this the first time reading it for you, or is it a re read? If it is a re read, have your impressions changed so far, are you feeling differently this time around?
It's my first time reading it so! We never did it in school
2) We have been introduced to Daisy Buchanan - any first impressions of her character?
I feel kind of bad for her, her husband is cheating on her.
3) What about Tom Buchanan?
Uhg, just uhg. That was my first impression
4) When Daisy is talking to Nick about the day her daughter was born, she told him that she hoped her daughter would grow up to be a fool, a beautiful fool. What does this mean to you?
I found that quote to be really interesting! I even wrote it down when I was reading. It seems like it means it's easier to be a girl if your pretty and don't look into things too much. Because things are bound to disappoint you if you look into it any more.
5) What are your thoughts on Nick going to hang out with Tom and his mistress behind his cousin's (Daisy) back?
He seemed pretty uncomfortable with the whole thing. So I guess there's that.
6) How do you think having Nick Caraway narrate serve this story?
It surprised me that the guy named Gatsby wasn't the narrator of the book, but I guess they did have that scene with the rumours about Gatsby, so it seems like they're trying to set him up as sort of mysterious in the beginning which they couldn't have done with him as the narrator.
7) Nick states in the beginning that everything he finds loathsome and despises in the filthy rich he somehow does not feel toward Gatsby. Gatsby is somehow held exempt. Any ideas yet on why this is?
Hmm... I don't know?
8) I have read many times The Great Gatsby referred to as the great American novel. I know we are only to the first section, but so far do you have any ideas on what that means or why this is?
Well it's set in America.
1) Is this the first time reading it for you, or is it a re read? If it is a re read, have your impressions changed so far, are you feeling differently this time around?
It's my first time reading it so! We never did it in school
2) We have been introduced to Daisy Buchanan - any first impressions of her character?
I feel kind of bad for her, her husband is cheating on her.
3) What about Tom Buchanan?
Uhg, just uhg. That was my first impression
4) When Daisy is talking to Nick about the day her daughter was born, she told him that she hoped her daughter would grow up to be a fool, a beautiful fool. What does this mean to you?
I found that quote to be really interesting! I even wrote it down when I was reading. It seems like it means it's easier to be a girl if your pretty and don't look into things too much. Because things are bound to disappoint you if you look into it any more.
5) What are your thoughts on Nick going to hang out with Tom and his mistress behind his cousin's (Daisy) back?
He seemed pretty uncomfortable with the whole thing. So I guess there's that.
6) How do you think having Nick Caraway narrate serve this story?
It surprised me that the guy named Gatsby wasn't the narrator of the book, but I guess they did have that scene with the rumours about Gatsby, so it seems like they're trying to set him up as sort of mysterious in the beginning which they couldn't have done with him as the narrator.
7) Nick states in the beginning that everything he finds loathsome and despises in the filthy rich he somehow does not feel toward Gatsby. Gatsby is somehow held exempt. Any ideas yet on why this is?
Hmm... I don't know?
8) I have read many times The Great Gatsby referred to as the great American novel. I know we are only to the first section, but so far do you have any ideas on what that means or why this is?
Well it's set in America.
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Finished. My first read was over 25 years ago. This time I did the audio - which was great. So I did have a greater understanding of the book this time around and I still don't care for it. I need to be enlightened and reading about the elite and shallow just doesn't do it for me. Still give it 2 stars.
Ch 1-31) Is this the first time reading it for you, or is it a re read? If it is a re read, have your impressions changed so far, are you feeling differently this time around?
This is my second time reading this book. I read it for the first time when I was 11 or 12 and don't remember anything except that I didn't like it. So far, I'm surprising myself by actually liking his writing style and looking forward to reading the rest of the book.
2) We have been introduced to Daisy Buchanan - any first impressions of her character?
She seems a bit flighty and lacking depth to her personality, but that often seems to be the case for many portrayals of women of her upbringing from that decade.
3) What about Tom Buchanan?
Can I say that I want to punch him? Because I do. Again, I want to say that he unfortunately seems to be the 'typical wealthy male' of that era.
4) When Daisy is talking to Nick about the day her daughter was born, she told him that she hoped her daughter would grow up to be a fool, a beautiful fool. What does this mean to you?
I agree with TheButterflyEffect here. I think it's meant to insinuate that a woman has an easier (happier) life if she's beautiful and ignorant and unable to really see or understand the evils of the world. This statement had me thinking that there's more to Daisy than what I initially thought.
5) What are your thoughts on Nick going to hang out with Tom and his mistress behind his cousin's (Daisy) back?
It's just weird. I know he and Daisy aren't the closest, but still, to willingly go out with your cousin's husband and spend time with his mistress who badmouths your cousin is just odd. And the fact that Tom would be so up front about it to his wife's cousin also baffles me, but then, he was probably in a situation in which he figured he could get away with anything.
6) How do you think having Nick Caraway narrate serve this story?
I like hearing the story from his opinion. He's the outsider with no previous knowledge of his neighbor except for the few things he'd heard. There's no real narrator bias that way.
7) Nick states in the beginning that everything he finds loathsome and despises in the filthy rich he somehow does not feel toward Gatsby. Gatsby is somehow held exempt. Any ideas yet on why this is?
That is the puzzle, isn't it? I guess there just seems to be something so fascinating about Gatsby that absolves him from Nick's typical loathing.
8) I have read many times The Great Gatsby referred to as the great American novel. I know we are only to the first section, but so far do you have any ideas on what that means or why this is?
It may be referred to as such not for his writing but more his depiction of fabulous Roaring 20s/Jazz Age.
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Comments and Questions
17. I see so many tragic elements to this story... Gatsby waiting for Daisy all these years; the car accident ; the murder ; the funeral... but I still don't finish the book feeling sad. There remains a sense of peace almost. Do you agree? What were your thoughts at the end?
18. Were you surprised when Gatsby wanted Daisy to not just profess her love for him, but to say she never loved Tom? Is that fair?
19. Have you wondered what yould've happened to Gatsby if he did go away like Nick had advised? Would he ever have been happy without Daisy?
20. Nick tries valiantly to find people to attend the funeral. Your thoughts on Klipspringer calling to see if the butler can return his shoes? Nick says he felt "a certain shame for Gatsby". Do you agree?
21. Final thoughts on the book? Have you seen the recent movie and how do you think it compared?
Oh....and I meant to comment earlier that when reading about Nick 's first party at Gatsby's, I suddenly had the feeling I was reading a 1920's rendition of The Real Housewives of NYC, what with the gossiping and drunkenness and couples arguing. I just felt like I'd seen it played out many times in more modern contexts.
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I love the party scene too
Chapter 1 - 31) Is this the first time reading it for you, or is it a re read? If it is a re read, have your impressions changed so far, are you feeling differently this time around?
I first read this in high school, then a couple of years ago. I got much more out of it as an adult than when I was a senior in high school. Now I am noticing little things. I can't help but think of the movie with Leo Di Caprio and see those actors as I'm reading. I'm also seeing the foreshadowing.
2) We have been introduced to Daisy Buchanan - any first impressions of her character?
Daisy seems to be a spoiled rich girl. She doesn't seem like she's very close to her little daughter. She works hard to cover up her hurt that her husband has a mistress.
3) What about Tom Buchanan?
He longs for the glory days when he was an athletic college star. His family is wealthy so he hasn't really had to work for what he has. He is a racist and a womanizer.
4) When Daisy is talking to Nick about the day her daughter was born, she told him that she hoped her daughter would grow up to be a fool, a beautiful fool. What does this mean to you?
I interpret this as Daisy hoping her daughter just lives life one day at a time and doesn't look too deeply into things. Maybe she hopes that if she marries one day and her husband cheats on her, she will stay in the dark about it and continue to believe that life is sunshine and rainbows.
5) What are your thoughts on Nick going to hang out with Tom and his mistress behind his cousin's (Daisy) back?
He tried to get out of it, but was roped into staying. I think he might have had a morbid curiosity about the situation. I don't understand why he stays loyal to Tom over Daisy.
6) How do you think having Nick Caraway narrate serve this story?
We can only see what Nick sees and know what Nick knows. This keeps us guessing at what other characters are thinking and what their motivations might be.
7) Nick states in the beginning that everything he finds loathsome and despises in the filthy rich he somehow does not feel toward Gatsby. Gatsby is somehow held exempt. Any ideas yet on why this is?
Gatsby is a self-made man, but the others inherited their wealth. This sets him apart greatly.
8) I have read many times The Great Gatsby referred to as the great American novel. I know we are only to the first section, but so far do you have any ideas on what that means or why this is?
The American dream is that anyone can become successful with hard work, no matter how far at the bottom of the ladder he or she is in the beginning. Gatsby illustrates this.
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