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March Madness 2021 - Round 1 (Voting Ended March 2nd)
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Mark wrote: "Which books do you already have?
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I own/have read 2 of the 16. None of the others are currently on my TBR list. I'm sure I'll end up adding a few once I read the descriptions before voting.
There are a couple others I was familiar with, but otherwise a lot of new stuff for me.
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I own/have read 2 of the 16. None of the others are currently on my TBR list. I'm sure I'll end up adding a few once I read the descriptions before voting.
There are a couple others I was familiar with, but otherwise a lot of new stuff for me.




Trike wrote: "Bold prediction: it will come down to Rivers of London and The Eyes of the Dragon, with The House in the Cerulean Sea as the closest almost-ran."
your finalists are the 2 I've read. lol. I will at least be voting for both in the opening round. Not sure if I'll still with both until the end though. It'll depend on the matchups.
As to my own predictions, I think The Priory of the Orange Tree will make a deep run as it was a popular pick on the S&L Discord for an alt pick this month already.
Rivers of London is making it's 3rd attempt (18, 20, 21) at winning it all. It took 3 tries before people took pity on me and voted Theft of Swords the winner in 2019.
This is the second appearance for The Blue Sword (17).
I think the other 14 are all making their first appearance, although some authors have had a different book in past years such as Martha Wells.
your finalists are the 2 I've read. lol. I will at least be voting for both in the opening round. Not sure if I'll still with both until the end though. It'll depend on the matchups.
As to my own predictions, I think The Priory of the Orange Tree will make a deep run as it was a popular pick on the S&L Discord for an alt pick this month already.
Rivers of London is making it's 3rd attempt (18, 20, 21) at winning it all. It took 3 tries before people took pity on me and voted Theft of Swords the winner in 2019.
This is the second appearance for The Blue Sword (17).
I think the other 14 are all making their first appearance, although some authors have had a different book in past years such as Martha Wells.
OK.. Turns out Tom did make the polls, but they weren't on the main page so they were buried several pages down.
He's since made them on the main page so they should be easier to find now.
I've updated the links in my original post.
Go forth and vote!
He's since made them on the main page so they should be easier to find now.
I've updated the links in my original post.
Go forth and vote!

Anyway: Happy voting, whatever your reasons are!
You're not wrong, but that's not going to stop me from making predictions each round. That's half the fun!

Just spitballing here (and sneakily advertising the Discord server, ofc).

I’m trying to predict what all y’all are gonna do.
Me, I want The Cloud Roads.
Bracket 7 is the hardest for me. I really want everyone to read The Priory of the Orange Tree but The Lesson looks really good too.
Bracket 1 is also hard. 2 authors that I enjoy, with books I haven't read, yet.
I've only read 2 of the books The Eyes of the Dragon which I read back in the late 80s and found meh and The Priory of the Orange Tree which I absolutely loved.
It should be a fun March Madness.
"There can be only one"
Except for 2016 when we had a tie 😉
Bracket 1 is also hard. 2 authors that I enjoy, with books I haven't read, yet.
I've only read 2 of the books The Eyes of the Dragon which I read back in the late 80s and found meh and The Priory of the Orange Tree which I absolutely loved.
It should be a fun March Madness.
"There can be only one"
Except for 2016 when we had a tie 😉

That one was a US Audible daily deal or a Kindle deal at one point with a really cheap Audible add-on, so it's in my library and I'm glad to hear of this recommendation, even if it doesn't win, it moves it up on my list.
We will probably end up reading a ¼ of these books for S&L
We are averaging right on 4 books per March Madness:
2016: 4
2017: 4
2018: 4
2019: 5
2020: 3
We are averaging right on 4 books per March Madness:
2016: 4
2017: 4
2018: 4
2019: 5
2020: 3
Middlegame really jumps out to me so added that to my TBR and I've long looked at Rivers of London. They're my only 2 votes this round.
Nothing else is really interesting me right now but excited to see how it shakes out.
Nothing else is really interesting me right now but excited to see how it shakes out.
Jan wrote: "I am glad "Blue Bear" made it into the bracket even if it doesn't stand a chance :-)"
Already going for the pity votes Jan 😉 😜
I voted for it and think it will get through this round and possibly beat Kiki's Delivery Service in the next round.
My record of picking winners in March Madness is pretty poor. 😉
Already going for the pity votes Jan 😉 😜
I voted for it and think it will get through this round and possibly beat Kiki's Delivery Service in the next round.
My record of picking winners in March Madness is pretty poor. 😉

We are averaging right on 4 books per March Madness:
2016: 4
2017: 4
2018: 4
2019: 5
2020: 3"
How can we have only read 3 books in 2020 when 2020 is Still. Going. On?!

Well, I am known as a master manipulator .... 😉
(To be honest, I am just preparing myself emotionally --- last year my favorites all lost in the first round)

I've read a couple before and have a few others on my TBR, plus some I'm now interested in reading.

Kind of sad to only have one SF title, and to have it up against what I'd assume is one of the strongest titles in the list is pretty rough. I'd be surprised if it survives Round 1.

Some great selections, and I have added a few to my TBR list.
Two of the match ups were especially tough decisions but as always :
2 books enter, 1 book leave

Definitely some good options in there. Fingers crossed that they progress.


I am saddened that it ended up against Rivers of London which I would have seconded if I hadn't decided to nominate my own this year. There is always next year.

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I've read four and own a fifth.
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It's the only title that's interesting to me but I am not sure about its chance of winning.

School books are not really my cup of tea, but a 4.5 average rating from over 14, 000 ratings is significant; including a 5 star rating and a very good review from Rebecca Roanhorse whose sword and laser read ( Trail of Lightning ) I enjoyed a lot.
You gotta love Coyote the trickster :-)

I had never heard of 13 1/2 Lives of Captain Blue Bear but it sounds like a fun read.

there are a number of interesting reads here that I had never heard of before.
A few blow outs in the voting only 1 close contest
Gods of Jade and Shadow 134 votes
The Cloud Roads 75 votes
Middlegame 125 votes
The Eyes of the Dragon 84 votes
Rivers of London 159 votes
Enchanted 56 votes
Green Rider 108 votes
The Blue Sword 84 votes
The Ruthless Lady's Guide to Wizardry 129 votes
The 13 1/2 Lives of Captain Blue Bear 64 votes
Kiki's Delivery Service 104 votes
Legendborn 94 votes
The Priory of the Orange Tree 122 votes
The Lesson 76 votes
The House in the Cerulean Sea 168 votes
Lud-in-the-Mist 36 votes
Gods of Jade and Shadow 134 votes
The Cloud Roads 75 votes
Middlegame 125 votes
The Eyes of the Dragon 84 votes
Rivers of London 159 votes
Enchanted 56 votes
Green Rider 108 votes
The Blue Sword 84 votes
The Ruthless Lady's Guide to Wizardry 129 votes
The 13 1/2 Lives of Captain Blue Bear 64 votes
Kiki's Delivery Service 104 votes
Legendborn 94 votes
The Priory of the Orange Tree 122 votes
The Lesson 76 votes
The House in the Cerulean Sea 168 votes
Lud-in-the-Mist 36 votes

"The Ruthless Lady's Guide to Wizardry 129 votes
The 13 1/2 Lives of Captain Blue Bear 64 votes
Called it! ;-)
Dave is trying to steal my thunder I guess (or just couldn't wait for me to wake up and get settled into a computer). I will not be DETERED from doing my end of round summary post!
Participation was way down this year, about 115 fewer people participated in round 1 of this year compared to last. Those people are missing out!
Results from Round 1:
View the full bracket
Round 1 Statistics
Total Votes Cast: 1,618
Average Votes Cast: 202
Book With Most Votes: The House in the Cerulean Sea - (168 Votes)
Match-up With Most Votes: Rivers of London vs. Enchanted (215 Votes)
Largest Win: The House in the Cerulean Sea (132 Votes)
Smallest Win: Kiki's Delivery Service - (10 Votes)
Average Win: 60 votes
Match 1:
(1) Gods of Jade and Shadow by Silvia Moreno-Garcia - 134 Votes
vs.
(16) The Cloud Roads by Martha Wells - 75 Votes
Winner: Gods of Jade and Shadow
Total Votes: 209
Margin of Victory: 59
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Match 2:
(8) Middlegame by Seanan McGuire - 125 Votes
vs.
(9) The Eyes of the Dragon by Stephen King - 84 Votes
Winner: Middlegame
Total Votes: 209
Margin of Victory: 41
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Match 3:
(4) Rivers of London / Midnight Riot by Ben Aaronovitch - 159 Votes
vs.
(13) Enchanted by Alethea Kontis - 56 Votes
Winner: Rivers of London / Midnight Riot
Total Votes: 215
Margin of Victory: 103
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Match 4:
(5) Green Rider by Kristen Britain - 108 Votes
vs.
(12) The Blue Sword by Robin McKinley - 84 Votes
Winner: Green Rider
Total Votes: 192
Margin of Victory: 24
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Match 5:
(2) The 13 1/2 Lives of Captain Blue Bear by Walter Moers - 64 Votes
vs.
(15) The Ruthless Lady's Guide to Wizardry by C.M. Waggoner - 129 Votes
Winner: The Ruthless Lady's Guide to Wizardry
Total Votes: 193
Margin of Victory: 65
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Match 6:
(7) Kiki's Delivery Service by Eiko Kadono - 104 Votes
vs.
(10) Legendborn by Tracy Deonn - 94 Votes
Winner: Kiki's Delivery Service
Total Votes: 198
Margin of Victory: 10
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Match 7:
(3) The Priory of the Orange Tree by Samantha Shannon - 122 Votes
vs.
(14) The Lesson by Cadwell Turnbull - 76 Votes
Winner: The Priory of the Orange Tree
Total Votes: 198
Margin of Victory: 46
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Match 8:
(6) The House in the Cerulean Sea by T.J. Klune - 168 Votes
vs.
(11) Lud-in-the-Mist by Hope Mirrlees - 36 Votes
Winner: The House in the Cerulean Sea
Total Votes: 204
Margin of Victory: 132
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Participation was way down this year, about 115 fewer people participated in round 1 of this year compared to last. Those people are missing out!
Results from Round 1:
View the full bracket
Round 1 Statistics
Total Votes Cast: 1,618
Average Votes Cast: 202
Book With Most Votes: The House in the Cerulean Sea - (168 Votes)
Match-up With Most Votes: Rivers of London vs. Enchanted (215 Votes)
Largest Win: The House in the Cerulean Sea (132 Votes)
Smallest Win: Kiki's Delivery Service - (10 Votes)
Average Win: 60 votes
Match 1:
(1) Gods of Jade and Shadow by Silvia Moreno-Garcia - 134 Votes
vs.
(16) The Cloud Roads by Martha Wells - 75 Votes
Winner: Gods of Jade and Shadow
Total Votes: 209
Margin of Victory: 59
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Match 2:
(8) Middlegame by Seanan McGuire - 125 Votes
vs.
(9) The Eyes of the Dragon by Stephen King - 84 Votes
Winner: Middlegame
Total Votes: 209
Margin of Victory: 41
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Match 3:
(4) Rivers of London / Midnight Riot by Ben Aaronovitch - 159 Votes
vs.
(13) Enchanted by Alethea Kontis - 56 Votes
Winner: Rivers of London / Midnight Riot
Total Votes: 215
Margin of Victory: 103
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Match 4:
(5) Green Rider by Kristen Britain - 108 Votes
vs.
(12) The Blue Sword by Robin McKinley - 84 Votes
Winner: Green Rider
Total Votes: 192
Margin of Victory: 24
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Match 5:
(2) The 13 1/2 Lives of Captain Blue Bear by Walter Moers - 64 Votes
vs.
(15) The Ruthless Lady's Guide to Wizardry by C.M. Waggoner - 129 Votes
Winner: The Ruthless Lady's Guide to Wizardry
Total Votes: 193
Margin of Victory: 65
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Match 6:
(7) Kiki's Delivery Service by Eiko Kadono - 104 Votes
vs.
(10) Legendborn by Tracy Deonn - 94 Votes
Winner: Kiki's Delivery Service
Total Votes: 198
Margin of Victory: 10
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Match 7:
(3) The Priory of the Orange Tree by Samantha Shannon - 122 Votes
vs.
(14) The Lesson by Cadwell Turnbull - 76 Votes
Winner: The Priory of the Orange Tree
Total Votes: 198
Margin of Victory: 46
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Match 8:
(6) The House in the Cerulean Sea by T.J. Klune - 168 Votes
vs.
(11) Lud-in-the-Mist by Hope Mirrlees - 36 Votes
Winner: The House in the Cerulean Sea
Total Votes: 204
Margin of Victory: 132
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I went 4-4 in round 1.
I may end up reading Legendborn. It barely lost in this round, though I'm not sure I'd have liked it's chances against The Ruthless Lady's Guide to Wizardry, which we seem to have badly underseeded.
I'll probably also read The Cloud Roads, which I thought was a bit under seeded, but apparently not..
I may end up reading Legendborn. It barely lost in this round, though I'm not sure I'd have liked it's chances against The Ruthless Lady's Guide to Wizardry, which we seem to have badly underseeded.
I'll probably also read The Cloud Roads, which I thought was a bit under seeded, but apparently not..

Interesting results yet again. These are fun!
Trike wrote: "(you have the wrong book title, Rob, not that it matters),"
Oh it matters! Thanks for the heads up. Too much copy/paste this morning.
Oh it matters! Thanks for the heads up. Too much copy/paste this morning.

Books mentioned in this topic
The Eyes of the Dragon (other topics)The Cloud Roads (other topics)
The Ruthless Lady's Guide to Wizardry (other topics)
Legendborn (other topics)
The House in the Cerulean Sea (other topics)
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Authors mentioned in this topic
Martha Wells (other topics)Ben Aaronovitch (other topics)
Seanan McGuire (other topics)
Silvia Moreno-Garcia (other topics)
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I had a bit of an issue finding the polls, but that's been sorted out and the links are now live.
Round 1 will be February 25th - March 2nd 11:59PM EST
Match 1:
(1) Gods of Jade and Shadow by Silvia Moreno-Garcia
vs.
(16) The Cloud Roads by Martha Wells
Vote Here
Match 2:
(8) Middlegame by Seanan McGuire
vs.
(9) The Eyes of the Dragon by Stephen King
Vote Here
Match 3:
(4) Rivers of London / Midnight Riot by Ben Aaronovitch
vs.
(13) Enchanted by Alethea Kontis
Vote Here
Match 4:
(5) Green Rider by Kristen Britain
vs.
(12) The Blue Sword by Robin McKinley
Vote Here
Match 5:
(2) The 13 1/2 Lives of Captain Blue Bear by Walter Moers
vs.
(15) The Ruthless Lady's Guide to Wizardry by C.M. Waggoner
Vote Here
Match 6:
(7) Kiki's Delivery Service by Eiko Kadono
vs.
(10) Legendborn by Tracy Deonn
Vote Here
Match 7:
(3) The Priory of the Orange Tree by Samantha Shannon
vs.
(14) The Lesson by Cadwell Turnbull
Vote Here
Match 8:
(6) The House in the Cerulean Sea by T.J. Klune
vs.
(11) Lud-in-the-Mist by Hope Mirrlees
Vote Here