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Now that we have this week’s prompts would those who were up for it before still be interested in a prompt in honour of Elizabeth II?

I’m still interest in a Queen Elizabeth II prompt Thomas (if you couldn’t tell from me bringing it up here).

Sorry Tracy. I must have missed you in this thread. Thank you for the support

Tracy. Now read your thread. Yes happy to propose that suggestion or second it if you get in first

I’ll leave it to you Thomas :)

Yes Thomas and Tracy I would absolutely support it. If you didn't already do so, could you put the exact wording on the wild discussion, with any links you have?

IDEA: I think this would make a great listopia topic for all Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ users. If there isn't one there already, I can help set it up. I would want to do it ASAP. If we have accurate lists of qualifying authors we can post them in the comments of the listopia. I would start with a list of the highest level awards first. The UK members of our group can help determine which addition awards to include - and put them in the comments section.

Is anyone else interested in working on this? Do we have any UK members in the group who are Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ librarians?

@NancyJ - I put my stab at exact wording and a link to the best list I could find a few messages back. You are welcome to use that Thomas, or go your own way. I had previously already put his info in Wild Discussion the day the Queen’s death was announced.

Do you need to be a librarian to start a list? I am in the UK and have librarian status but would not have the time to put together a comprehensive list before tomorrow's voting. There was no easy single source when I looked the other day, it would require going through news articles for each year's honours looking for authors. I can add a few names but that's it.

Regarding Novellas, I see it as a great spot to try a literary author.
I read Mrs Dalloway by Virginia Woolf last year for a New-to-you author prompt and I loved her writing.

I'm going to use the list of "short perfect novels."

Michelle wrote: "not thrilled. I still don't understand the geometric shapes prompt... "

That's partly my problem with the geometric one, as well.

I did just pick this up at the British Museum Feminine Power exhibition, which looks geometric to me, if I don't read it beforehand.

Tracy wrote: "For those of you who may not follow the Wild Discussion, @Thomas suggested having a prompt that honored Queen Elizabeth II. The idea that had the most traction was something like "A book by an author honored by Queen Elizabeth II", meaning that she knighted, damed (is that the term?) or bestowed one of the other honors on them (CBE, OBE, etc.). This is the best list of these authors that I could find: ...

I would be happy to suggest this prompt, but I wanted to leave it open for any members who are part of the UK or any part of the Commonwealth to do it if they would like."

Good thinking. As a Londoner, I'm happy to propose it if someone will second, and vice versa.

I started a queen's honours list but have to go make dinner and hang out irl 🤣 with people now
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Congratulations on being a librarian Ellie. I won’t be mean and ask you to add a book

Thanks Ellie!!!

In case you're still here, are those awards listed in order of importance?

Meh, real life is overrated 🤣

Hmm. I wonder if a Maine Coon would count as an unusually large version of a cat.

Or something like a Great Dane for an unusually large dog.

NancyJ wrote: "Thanks Ellie!!!

In case you're still here, are those awards listed in order of importance?"

I think MBE is lowest and dame/knight is definitely highest.

I’m going to buy my 11 month old grandson some Clifford books for Christmas and make them special Grammy and Gus books and read them to him when I am babysitting.

Wow these are great results. I voted for all of the tops excepts for the ghost prompt which I was ambivalent on.

It’s in reverse order of precedence
MBE
OBE
CBE
knight or dame
Peerage
Companion of honour ( which only a certain number of living people can hold)

Emily wrote: "This is your challenge to tackle how you'd like to tackle it! I totally understand wanting clarification, especially for a prompt that we haven't seen and discussed yet, but at the end of the day, you can choose to interpret dinosaurs or minotaurs or Clifford the Big Red Dog for your challeng..."

Thank you for the reminder.

Would it be possible to include links to the listopias for Tropical and Geometric Shape that were created before they were officially prompts? I added quite a lot of books to both and really don't want to have to redo all that.

Michelle wrote: "not thrilled. I still don't understand the geometric shapes prompt... and I really don't get the prompt about a large animal. otherwise fine with the others"

Michelle, I think this one should be fairly straight-forward. You can use it in a number of different ways:
- as a title prompt, find a book with a shape in the title: circle, square, pentagon, sphere, cone, heart, ring, planet, pyramid, etc.

- as a cover prompt, find a cover that contains a circle, square, rectangle, stop sign (octagon), planet (sphere), pyramic, ball, wheel, etc.

- as a content/genre prompt, we also stated it could cover a "closed circle mystery" or "love triangle"

- as a setting prompt, it could be located near an obelisk (like the Washington Monument), or the Great Pyramids in Egypt, or the Louvre, or on a farm with a grain silo, on a spaceship, etc.

There are many ways to fulfill it, so I'm thinking it should be (relatively) easy and a way to accommodate multiple genres and preferences. There is a new listopia for these, but I created on in advance to help with ideas. It is found here:
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So if the shape is an object that’s enough? It’s doesn’t have to be a shape for shapes sake?

Tracy wrote: "I don't know if Emily chose the suggestion time tomorrow for 7-8am CST for this purpose or not, but it looks like it makes it easier for people from at least parts of Australia west to England to b..."

Tracy, @Thomas - this is a great idea! (But understand my "pick rate" this year is quite low.. ;>) I've checked out the list and have read or have on hand a number of these authors already.

Thomas wrote: "So if the shape is an object that’s enough? It’s doesn’t have to be a shape for shapes sake?"

I added a book with a basketball on the cover since that's a circle/sphere, if that's what you mean!

Some ideas for the Geometric Shape prompt. (Copy/pasted from my post in the voting thread).

Some ideas that go beyond title or cover - National Book Critics Circle Award, Publishing Triangle Award, Publishing Triangle 100 Best Lesbian and Gay Novels, Clarke Award (logo is triangle inside a circle), Golden Kite Award, Newbury Award (the winner receives a circular bronze medal), books published by Washington Square Press or Hanover Square Press or Sphere.

Thomas wrote: "So if the shape is an object that’s enough? It’s doesn’t have to be a shape for shapes sake?"
Yes, correct! We designed the prompt in the wild discussion to be very flexible.

Sydney wrote: "I added a book with a basketball on the cover since that's a circle/sphere, if that's what you mean!..."

Yes, that works. Thanks for adding it!

dalex wrote: "Would it be possible to include links to the listopias for Tropical and Geometric Shape that were created before they were officially prompts? I added quite a lot of books to both and really don't ..."

I created the Tropical prompt, and I have many on the same shelf so I'll do what I can. I don't know if it's possible to merge lists.

dalex wrote: "Some ideas for the Geometric Shape prompt. (Copy/pasted from my post in the voting thread).

Some ideas that go beyond title or cover - National Book Critics Circle Award, Publishing Triangle Award..."

Thanks this is very helpful. I love the idea of using this prompt to fit in more award winning books!

Thomas wrote: "It’s in reverse order of precedence
MBE
OBE
CBE
knight or dame
Peerage
Companion of honour ( which only a certain number of living people can hold)"

Oh, I'm still confused by the honors. I copied over portions of the article on the listopia if you'd like to add to it. Some of the honors listed in the article might have been given before Queen Elizabeth's reign though.

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I don't know if I'm unhappy with most of the prompts because I mostly don't understand them, other than the shape one (which was thoroughly explained until even had its own listopia)

A book related to a ghost, spirit, phantom, or specter - They all have alternative definitions. So anything someone is haunted by could be a spectre? An any Christian book about living a Spirit filled life technically also counts?

A novella - some prizes given to novellas have a word count limit. We didn't put one on it. So everyone gets to decide for themselves what is a short story and what is a novella?

A book with a tropical setting - Originally, I thought this was going to be set between the tropic of cancer and capricorn. Now, everyone gets to decide on "tropical"?

A book with an unusually large version of an animal in the story - I really don't understand this prompt at all. I thought someone said dragons don't count, but there are books on the listopia with dragons in them. This is a prompt where it could have been helpful if people had put the animal in the comment part.

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Thomas wrote: "Now that we have this week’s prompts would those who were up for it before still be interested in a prompt in honour of Elizabeth II?"

Yes, definitely

It's a challenge you do for yourself that has no set award or competition. So I don't think it's bad if people get to decide for themselves.

Personally I'm going to do the tropical setting within the tropics lines because it's more thematic that way.

> An any Christian book about living a Spirit filled life technically also counts?
I think that's a stretch, but if someone else wants to use it that's up to them.

Dubhease wrote: "A book with a tropical setting - Originally, I thought this was going to be set between the tropic of cancer and capricorn. Now, everyone gets to decide on "tropical"?"

I agree. There's a difference between "A book with a tropical setting" and "A book set in a tropical region of the world." Tropical setting implies rainforests and jungles. Set in a tropical region means a country within a specific region, even if the book is set in a city or something like that.

Now I'm confused about this prompt.

It would be nice to have a definition and/or page count for novella.

According to Book Riot: "Novellas are short novels, from 17,500 or 20,000 words usually up to about 40,000 words, or about 100�200 pages."

Dubhease wrote: "...any Christian book about living a Spirit filled life technically also counts?"

Of course it's up to the person completing the challenge, but I think Christian books could count, but more specifically books with the main topic as the Holy Spirit (if someone wanted to go the Christian lit route).

For example, something like Life Together: The Classic Exploration of Christian Community by Dietrich Bonhoeffer might be a bit of a stretch because the focus is Christian community and the "spirit" part is implied, but How to Be Filled with the Holy Spirit by Tozer would fit the prompt better since the focus of the book is the reader's understanding of the Holy Spirit.

Since it's one of those "related to" prompts, I think it's open to creative interpretation more than some of the other prompts on the list.

Shannon SA wrote: "I saw this definition of a novella on Google:

Novellas are short novels, from 17,500 or 20,000 words usually up to about 40,000 words, or about 100�200 pages.

So less than 200 pages would work?"

Thank you, Shannon

Roxana wrote: "Stacey- novella length is generally defined through word count rather than pages, and “US-based Writers of America defines a novella's word count to be between 17,500 and 40,000 words.� That can ob..."

That makes sense. Thank you, Roxana

Re: Novellas � Tor.com Publishing is a good source for novellas. It focuses on sci-fi and fantasy, but not all of it is all about space or dragons. I read a duology called the Monk & Robot Series that I very much enjoyed and I am definitely not into spacey sci-fi or dragony fantasy. Here is there “about� page, and you can find the pages with their titles from there:

Stacey wrote: "I'm pretty happy with the results, as I upvoted three of four winners. A first!

A couple of questions here:

- can dinosaurs work for the unusually large version of an animal, as many are extra la..."

Stacy I looked up novellas online and there is no specific page range given. Publishers go by word-count. It's longer than a typical short story, but shorter than a novel. 100-200 is a good range, give or take 25 or 50 pages.

I plan to look at the novella list to see which books are already on my to-read list.

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Dubhease wrote: "I don't know if I'm unhappy with most of the prompts because I mostly don't understand them, other than the shape one (which was thoroughly explained until even had its own listopia)

A book relate..."

I'm sticking with the geographic definition of tropics.

Yeah I still don't understand it, I guess I'm confused by what people are adding. How are the earth and moon geometric shapes?

Michelle wrote: "Yeah I still don't understand it, I guess I'm confused by what people are adding. How are the earth and moon geometric shapes?"

I have not looked at the list but the earth and possibly the moon are circles or spheres and the moon could also be a crescent.

Michelle wrote: "Yeah I still don't understand it, I guess I'm confused by what people are adding. How are the earth and moon geometric shapes?"


Circles, spheres, crescents

Dubhease wrote: "I don't know if I'm unhappy with most of the prompts because I mostly don't understand them, other than the shape one (which was thoroughly explained until even had its own listopia)

A book relate..."

I found latitudes for all my books on the other listopia, and our listopia looks similar.

I think all of the new prompts are great. I will KIS some and I will probably BIO the shape prompt. I admit I used to be hyper-literal with prompts a few years ago. It sucked all the fun out of the challenge for me and probably for everyone who had to argue with me to NOT be so literal! lol I think I came to a breaking point one year and created the KIS/BIO board. Maybe I was trying to prove a point, maybe I was just exhausting myself, I just remember being frustrated. We started building the list and the group came up with some amazingly creative ways to interpret every prompt. The process totally changed how I view prompts after that. It's actually fun now to see how much I can twist a prompt to make it easier, or harder on myself. :)

dalex wrote: "Dubhease wrote: "A book with a tropical setting - Originally, I thought this was going to be set between the tropic of cancer and capricorn. Now, everyone gets to decide on "tropical"?"

I agree. T..."

The new listopias all show the short versions of the prompts, that's all. The mods will add the details when they can. Two readathons started today. All the information is on the Voting thread.

Keep calm and carry on

For me, these are great results since I voted for all of them and I’m ready for the list to be finalized! WRT an unusually large animal, my first thought was the 1950 movie Harvey with Jimmy Stewart and his 6 ft tall white invisible rabbit friend. The movie is based on the play Harvey written by Mary Chase. The sand worms in the Dune series was another thought. It will be interesting to see what people come up with! Seems like the prompt lends itself towards sci-fi, fantasy and children’s lit.