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I plan to get it from my library as soon as I go back probley sometimes this week.Firestarter is one of Kings books I havent read so I look forward to it.




There are not as many references to music as he usually includes, but this isn't the kind of story that lends itself well to that.
*SPOILERISH**
I really enjoy reading about Andy using the "push" to help the women lose weight or the executives to suceed. It does a great job of showing you the other side of what the Shop wants Andy for.

I plan on it, but I have to get the book. It wasn't at my library.


I'm finding the idea of an "echo" or "ricochet" form Andy's pushes fascinating. Pynchot is the perfect subject. I'm wondering if there has to be some deep flaw the person is hiding, not only from the world, but possibly themselves as well, to cause it.




YES!!!!!!!!!
Written BY and FOR Hippies like us!
Many of King's works follow that as an underlying general theme. Examples are _The Stand_, the DT series and _Dreamcatchers_; probably more that don't come to mind this instant.

I really liked this book so I am excited to read it again~


Secondly, I was so caught up in the progression of the story, when the Shop attempts to kill Andy at the farm and Charlie unleashes her power to protect him, that I had to rip myself away from the lunch table and force myself to return to the lab and work.
This is a very exciting book!


I couldn't agree more :] The relationship between Andy and Charlie is what helps make Firestarter one of my favorite King novels. It is so realistic and the end heartbreaking.

I was intrigued with the idea of the "echo" as well! It seemed to tie in with King's exploration of the idea that great power has the possibility of catastrophe firmly rooted in its' soil. Even when Andy tried to use his psi power for good, the possibility of destruction was inherent. (the business man who wanted to play Russian Roulette) So many times Charlie and Andy used their powers, and the aftermath was strewn with corpses and suffering.
Poor Doomed Duo....

The story had me hooked most of the time. Other times my mind was wandering away to other things.
One thing that have been mentioned that I also liked about the story is the explanation of how Andy used the push for good things. I also liked the "echo" effects a lot (which there had been more of them).

It is an interesting concept, but perhaps "feedback" would be better term in that the idea feeds itself round and round till something gives.

hmmm....It's interesting to me that several people are fascinated by the 'echo effect' that Andy noticed with some people. First of all, as it was described by King, I think Echo is a good description because it was the echo of some old memory that got associated with the push he was giving....then, that echo multiplied in the brain until it came back to the 'pushee' much as an echo does in a canyon or something. My second point is that the harder Andy pushed the more likely there was an echo...somehow 'hammering' the brain caused that echo...something like a stone in water...the harder the initial hit the bigger the 'waves' of thought. Thirdly, what I just thought of also is how the dollar bill held the 'echo' of the features Andy pushed on it...so, in a way that was an echo too....sounds all kind of crazy really! Still, it is fascinating when you think about it.
One of the things I found interesting in this book by King was Rainwater's obsession with Death....how he somehow thought he'd find an answer in the eyes of each person. He fixated on Charlie as the answers to all his questions and was denied that chance to observe her death and get whatever answers there were or weren't. I think it is nice justice that King killed him the way he did so he really didn't have time to contemplate his own dying as he had hoped to.
Another thought I've had about this particular book is that in some ways King dates himself with the material...the anti-govt, govt experimenting on humans thing, you know? That was sooo very common around the time he would have been writing this book. Just a little thought.
Finally, I wonder what would have happened with Andy if he had better learned to control his power as Charlie was starting to? Would he have been able to build his ability without harming himself? Would he have learned just how much 'push' he needed instead of blowing his brain as he did? I mean, obviously, the push he gave the dollar bill was HUGE....as evidenced by the lasting illusion... I just had that thought...not sure how he could have done that without 'giving in' to the govt though...lol!
It was fun to re-read this book. It has been years!


True, Andy got his talent artificially but, any skill, whether inherent or learned can be shaped and refined by structured training.

Andy, on the other hand, had been using his ability pretty steadily, as needed, for years and didn't seem to be in any more control of it than he was in the beginning. Yes, he had a better feel for what he could and could not do, but not better control, which was evidenced by the echos we were discussing. Not to mention the harm it caused him. I do agree that he may have been pushing harder than was necessary and that's what hurt him, not simply using his ability.

Still, she used the power when asked to at the airport, and other times obviously. In all honesty it would have been very difficult for her to learn control too early in her life. Using the potty training example...we are taught Don't Do THAT.....easy to learn DO or NOT DO...but much harder to learn DEGREE....in potty training you either have accidents or you don't..there is not degree. By the time she started testing for The Shop she had had the experience at the airport and at the farm...where she lost control and was horrified by the example...so when she started doing the tests she KNEW she had to have a controlled situation. Perhaps she would have learned that on her own but she knew The Shop could provide the controls she needed to control the power...she became aware through her other experiences that it might be possible to control the power. I think her learning to control the power would have been MUCH more erratic if she had just done it on her own.
For Andy, I think his lack of control probably manifested more after his wife's death because he was running for his and Charlie's freedom. He was desperate so his control slipped somewhat. If he had trained more formally he would have practiced using the power under stress and might not have blown himself like he did...or perhaps it was just inevitable...after all, he always got the headaches if he used the push much, so perhaps he was just a ticking time bomb once he started using his power at all. It is entirely possible if the govt had trained him they would have caused him to 'blow' sooner...lol. It could go either way for either of them really!!!

Instead of potty accidents being black or white, I think a kid rushing to the potty but does't get there in time is still learning a new skill, just like Charlie.
Totally agree that it's easier to teach a kid Do vs Don't but it's only with experience that someone can learn abstract concepts like "Don't do X except when....". The classic white lie scenario, don't lie but sometime a little white lie is OK. Compared to Charlie this is "Dont light fires, except when there are bad people".
For Andy, experience may or may not have made him better. He was litterally thrown into the deep end runing for his life. Would his skill improve with practice like a muscle? Maybe, but probably not in my mind. The headache's and body wipe outs says his body was fighting him all the way with it.

You're probably right about Andy. Because his "gift" was aquired, he was simply not physically able to cope with it. Charlie being born with hers makes all the difference.

Charlie was the all important "Z". When a baby is born, to use Wanless' comparison, it has NO control. But, as Charlie ages thru the book - She gains her control. Not so much thru the Shop, as thru her own oncoming adolescence. She matures, learns, and THEN gains control (At least that's how I read it, She was born with the power, but learned to use it as she grew. All of us remember the power of oaths or promises made when we were kids. She's just exceptional.,

Just imagine what it would have been like in Vegas if Rainbird had gone to work for Randall Flagg...

SPOILER BELOW**
I especially loved how she survived everything and even though she was left all alone in the end she was still strong enough to go and do what her father wanted them to do all along--get their story out.
Here's a weird thing. As I neared the end of the book, I got to wondering what Charlie would be like as an adult, and what she'd be doing.
Then I glanced up at the television and saw Drew Barrymore in some commercial or another....I was like..oh, there she is....
Then I glanced up at the television and saw Drew Barrymore in some commercial or another....I was like..oh, there she is....


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