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World Ocean Day




Our coastline is really jagged so we have to drive a bit in order to get to real beaches on the ocean.






The UN has finally declared war on ocean plastic.
This page shows three clips, two short and one a half hour film in which a group of surfers, musicians etc. were taken out on a yacht to the Bahamas to pick microplastics out of the Garbage Patch.

Do you know about Social Plastic....
I think it is a good organization but I have not fully researched it yet.
Kim Stanley Robinson and a London based architect debate how life will change with rising seas in 2080.
The sound quality is poor anytime we are not coming from the American studio so you may want to fast forward through the first few minutes of intro.
Plastic microbeads washing out of cosmetics and sunscreen, and into the ocean, is a major issue. New Zealand is banning these microbeads from July 2018.
Then there is this. Microscopic particles are hard to remove from the oceans. They are getting into the systems of marine life. And our own.

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In the light of Trump's determination about DAPL and other future pipelines, this article is extremely important. Unfortunately, the protest, resistance, etc do not seem to change his mind. He, his advisors, his cabinet and his SC nomination all favor business profits over the environment. :-(
We've talked a lot about oil on the thread discussing Naomi Klein's book
This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs. The Climate
Anyone who would like to contribute is welcome.
This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs. The Climate

Anyone who would like to contribute is welcome.
Consider also the shores and wetlands as a hugely valuable environment.
The Narrow Edge: A Tiny Bird, an Ancient Crab, and an Epic Journey
The Narrow Edge: A Tiny Bird, an Ancient Crab, and an Epic Journey

A trailer for 'River Blue' which shows how the fast-fashion industry is fouling rivers. The rivers feed into seas or lakes of course.
In Ireland the legal requirement is for a factory's outflow pipe to be located upstream of its inflow pipe. Problem solved.
In Ireland the legal requirement is for a factory's outflow pipe to be located upstream of its inflow pipe. Problem solved.

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That seems like a simple solution. I wonder (well, the non-cynical part of me wonders) why this is not a requirement everywhere.
Jan
Interesting one - a marine research vessel is being built, to carry up to 100 people, with what looks like some great specs and it can burn ocean plastic for partial fuel.
Interesting deep sea fish found off Australia, and rather sadly, 200 years of trash in the abyss.
Thank you Sea Shepherd for some great drone footage these days. This clip shows rare Cuvier's beaked whales.
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Amazing to see what creatures are hidden in the ocean depths. Although this critter is a little "aesthetically challenged"; looks like something out of the Alien movies! ;-)

Thanks for sharing, Clare! Have to admit the Cuvier's beaked whales are a lot easier on the eyes... but the diversity of ocean life is endlessly fascinating!
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Amazing to see what creatures are hidden in the ocean depths. Although this critter is a little "aesthetically challenged"; looks like something out of the Alien movies! ;-)

Thanks for sharing, Clare! Have to admit the Cuvier's beaked whales are a lot easier on the eyes... but the diversity of ocean life is endlessly fascinating!

Junk Raft: An Ocean Voyage and a Rising Tide of Activism to Fight Plastic Pollution
Far from being a gloomy treatise on an environmental catastrophe, though, Junk Raft tells the exciting story of Eriksen's fight to raise awareness and solve the problem of plastic pollution, contributing to a fast-growing movement to stem the tide of trash.
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There is a little box halfway down the middle of the page. It's not very visible, just says, Enter Giveaway
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Not at all visible on my screen, I'm afraid, and I'd already gone to the giveaways pages and searched by non-fiction and environment. Probably the giveaway is not open to Ireland so ŷ isn't showing it to me. Not your problem, don't worry.
If you've entered I hope you win.
If you've entered I hope you win.
A very informative read about how rivers and ocean combine.
Upstream: Searching for Wild Salmon, from River to Table
Upstream: Searching for Wild Salmon, from River to Table


That's too bad scientists haven't figured out what everything is connected means. They have to prove it before they believe it, in the meantime they err on the side of caution, like ostriches with their heads in the sand. It was know a decade ago that the polar bears had PCBs in their livers. so the waters couldn't have been that pristine as far as chemicals were concerned. You could look at the situation like the Earth has been struck by a huge plastic asteroid that has inflicted a great deal of damage and and has left a layer of plastic bits 10 feet deep. It already happened, so now scientists have to move off the debating platform and onto the cleanup operation.

“It’s no longer a projection, it’s now an observation,� he said. “It’s not something that they can continue to put off into the future.�
Apparently according to the scientific paper the article is based on, it's still not an actual fact of climate change, being that an observation can have any number of reasons behind it, including illusions based on observable facts.
The percentage of water contributed by Greenland to account for the rising seal level has gone from under 5 percent to over 25 percent. It's melting faster than expected. I think they forgot to factor in all the water that got produced as the ice melts. Adding extra water makes the ice melt faster. It also lubricates the land underneath the glaciers so they slide into the water faster. I guess the climate change modeling programs need to go back to the drawing boards.
Once the ice coverage melts off of Greenland this will make big changes in the way the winds flow in the Arctic which will make big changes in the global weather patterns. Science is not talking much about these kinds of predictions, which is why Energy Secretary Perry is able to get away with the things he is saying. It is a fact that 20 years ago the NOAA would tell you via email that the melting sea ice would not put more water into the rain storms, that the planet would balance out the extra water as it balanced out everything so that we would continue to enjoy the same weather patterns for the foreseeable future. His information is probably 20 years old.
This is all about averages, which means in some places the sea level has risen slower than expected while it other places it has gone much higher than the average amount. Where that has happened, people are living the future now.
The coastlines are also changed by a number of factors besides just the rise in water levels.
As the ice melts, the weight on the land above and below water is diminished and the land rises. While Post-glacial rebound seems like a good thing at first, it is caused by faults that are now moving and moving the ground around them. Moving fault lines put pressure on other other fault lines. Speculation is that this means more earthquakes and volcanoes. Since we are here, the ice is melting, and some of the land is rising, we will be able to observe, along with the scientists what happens next.
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Eating to Extinction: The World's Rarest Foods and Why We Need to Save Them (other topics)The Ministry for Ignoring Climate Change (other topics)
Immortal North Two (other topics)
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This isn't specific to oceans, but it looks like an The Day After Tomorrow: Images of Our Earth in Crisis.