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message 1: by Ruby , Mistress of Chaos (last edited Nov 04, 2012 02:47AM) (new)

Ruby  Tombstone Lives! (rubytombstone) | 3260 comments Mod
From Wikipedia: "Alternate history or alternative history[1] is a genre of fiction consisting of stories that are set in worlds in which history has diverged from the actual history of the world. It can be variously seen as a sub-genre of literary fiction, science fiction, and historical fiction; different alternate history works may use tropes from any or all of these genres."

Another definition I quite like is that Alternative History is basically a "what if....." For example, "What if Germany had won WWII?" or "What if JFK hadn't been shot?"

So what are our very favourite alternative history novels?
To make it interesting, try and tell us the "what if" premise too, (IF you can do it without revealing spoilers).


message 2: by Ruby , Mistress of Chaos (new)

Ruby  Tombstone Lives! (rubytombstone) | 3260 comments Mod
I'm going to nominate Gloriana by Michael Moorcock.

The "What if?" - What if Queen Elizabeth 1 wasn't so much, "The Virgin Queen" as "The very slutty and debauched Queen who couldn't get no satisfaction"? Or something like that. And it's set 100 years after the real Elizabeth 1, and there are alternative worlds. It's complicated.


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Riona (rionafaith) | 457 comments Well, I think The Man in the High Castle definitely has to go here....


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Petra Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell: what if magic were a part of life at the time of the Napoleonic War?


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Anna Kļaviņa (annamatsuyama) | 114 comments Dominion by C. J. Sansom

What if 1952. Twelve years have passed since Britain surrendered to Nazi Germany.


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Riona (rionafaith) | 457 comments Petra wrote: "Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell: what if magic were a part of life at the time of the Napoleonic War?"

Huh. I never thought of Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell as being Alternate History, but now that you mention it, I can see the argument....


message 7: by Karen (last edited Nov 08, 2012 07:47PM) (new)

Karen (escapeartist) | 167 comments I am not sure if this qualifies but I nominate .White Lotus by John Hershey which charts an America conquered by the Chinese. Written in 65 at the height of the race conflicts, this book definitely offers an alternative history


message 8: by Ruby , Mistress of Chaos (new)

Ruby  Tombstone Lives! (rubytombstone) | 3260 comments Mod
Thats so strange. I just bought Son Of Heaven, which has a very similar premise, only the year is 2085, and it's set in the UK. And the Chinese arrive in airships. Really dying to read that....


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Anna Kļaviņa (annamatsuyama) | 114 comments What If?: The World's Foremost Historians Imagine What Might Have Been and What If? 2 nonfiction
I haven't read these but I own second book andit does look interesting.


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Genevieve (genevievedeguzman) | 7 comments Matt Ruff's The Mirage is a recent novel. Its 'What-If' premise is more of an alternative/inverted history. What if it were Christian fundamentalists who hijacked planes and flew them into targets in the Middle East?


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Riona (rionafaith) | 457 comments Genevieve wrote: "Matt Ruff's The Mirage is a recent novel. Its 'What-If' premise is more of an alternative/inverted history. What if it were Christian fundamentalists who hijacked planes and flew them into targets ..."

That concept sounds fascinating. TBR'd!


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Genevieve (genevievedeguzman) | 7 comments Riona wrote: "Genevieve wrote: "Matt Ruff's The Mirage is a recent novel. Its 'What-If' premise is more of an alternative/inverted history. What if it were Christian fundamentalists who hijacked planes and flew ..."

It would definitely foment discussion if just for the topic. Matt Ruff is also one of the most underrated writers out there-- at least for sheer imagination.


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Trinity (snappingturtle) | 9 comments The Years of Rice and Salt - what if instead of killing only ~30% of Europe's population, the Black Death killed 99%, leaving the rest of the world to develop along very different paths?


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Whitney | 1362 comments Mod
Stephanie Trinity wrote: "The Years of Rice and Salt - what if instead of killing only ~30% of Europe's population, the Black Death killed 99%, leaving the rest of the world to develop along very different paths?"

This sounds really interesting. What did you think about it?


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Karen (escapeartist) | 167 comments Stephanie Trinity wrote: "The Years of Rice and Salt - what if instead of killing only ~30% of Europe's population, the Black Death killed 99%, leaving the rest of the world to develop along very different paths?" I see this is by Kim Stanley Robinson. He is one of my favorites. I will have to check this out.


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Ed (swampyankee) | 19 comments Karen wrote: "Stephanie Trinity wrote: "The Years of Rice and Salt - what if instead of killing only ~30% of Europe's population, the Black Death killed 99%, leaving the rest of the world to develop along very d..."

I liked this book quite a lot, and I think Kim Stanley Robinson is one of the best authors writing in sf.


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"The Man in the High Castle" by Phillip K. Dick.

What if - the Allies lost WW2, and the US was divided in half between Germany & Japan.


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Riona (rionafaith) | 457 comments Joe wrote: ""The Man in the High Castle" by Phillip K. Dick.

What if - the Allies lost WW2, and the US was divided in half between Germany & Japan."


Already mentioned upthread -- it was the second book nominated.


message 19: by Ruby , Mistress of Chaos (new)

Ruby  Tombstone Lives! (rubytombstone) | 3260 comments Mod
Here's a nice little article from the Guardian by LloydShepherd which defines "Weird Histories" and lists some favourites.


I think we should probably add Never Let Me Go.


message 20: by Ruby , Mistress of Chaos (last edited Jul 29, 2013 05:27AM) (new)

Ruby  Tombstone Lives! (rubytombstone) | 3260 comments Mod
Shelf is now up. You keep nomming and I'll keep updating. Eventually! :)


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Derek (derek_broughton) | 796 comments I just finished a good, but not great, one: The Impeachment of Abraham Lincoln


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Derek (derek_broughton) | 796 comments Stephanie Trinity wrote: "The Years of Rice and Salt - what if instead of killing only ~30% of Europe's population, the Black Death killed 99%, leaving the rest of the world to develop along very different paths?"

The Years of Rice and Salt may belong here, but I was completely disappointed. Robinson never really tackled the question of "how is the world changed by not having the European Renaissance?" My review: "It's not that the book is badly written - it isn't - but I thought I was reading a "what-if-European-civilization-had-never-developed" novel, but really it seems completely irrelevant that the Europeans were wiped out in a plague. Instead, it's a series of vignettes about life in other parts of the world, that seem like they could have occurred with or without Europeans present."


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Leo Robertson (leoxrobertson) | 297 comments Anyone fancy Mason and Dixon or The Public Burning? I've yet to read either...


message 24: by Derek (new)

Derek (derek_broughton) | 796 comments I've yet to manage anything Pynchon! I'm intimidated. The Public Burning sounds interesting.


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Leo Robertson (leoxrobertson) | 297 comments Derek wrote: "I've yet to manage anything Pynchon! I'm intimidated. The Public Burning sounds interesting."

Great! I'm a huge Pynchon fan, he is admittedly tough but his books are surprisingly gripping. I only read a Coover short story, , but it's one of the best ever :-)


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Whitney | 1362 comments Mod
Leo X. wrote: "Great! I'm a huge Pynchon fan, he is admittedly tough but his books are surprisingly gripping. I only read a Coover short story, The Babysitter, but it's one of the best ever :-) .."

You should start a discussion of this one in Short Reads.


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Leo Robertson (leoxrobertson) | 297 comments Whitney wrote: "You should start a discussion of this one in Short Reads. "

Thanks for the idea, Whitney, I created a thread for it :-)


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Nanci Svensson | 2 comments "It couldn't happen here". Oldie but goldie.


message 29: by Ruby , Mistress of Chaos (new)

Ruby  Tombstone Lives! (rubytombstone) | 3260 comments Mod
Nanci wrote: ""It couldn't happen here". Oldie but goldie."

Book title link please?


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