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I'm sure there are at least a handful of other fans here who might be interested, so here's putting it directly beneath your noses...
^ Thanks Mark - despite the eye -watering price tag I must say I am also tempted. I'm a recent convert to the world of SAHB and so have yet to invest in any physical artefacts, making do with YouTube and a few downloads so far and for 14 CDs it works out at c£7.15 per CD and a lovely book.
Hmmm, it's a three pipe problem....
Hmmm, it's a three pipe problem....


Additionally, I've been around long enough to have seen things like this hit the market, then quickly sell out, only to turn up on eBay for extortionate prices.

I saw them again in 1976 when they were just as good. A strong memory of that concert was watching the audience come in and as each person took their coat off to sit down they all revealed the trademark striped tshirt underneath :-)

It wasn't until 1986, when a friend sat me down in front of his stereo, that I'd heard the band. I was immediately drawn in, although, being a visual person myself, whatever that means, it wasn't until youtube appeared and I was finally able to see footage of the band, that all the dots were joined and my appreciation for them was fully cemented.
Seeing them live must have ranked amongst the best gigs ever for those fortunate enough to have seen them.
Did I mention envying you?

I only went to the Thin Lizzy concert because I liked their version of Whisky in the Jar and I'd never even heard of SAHB! As soon as Alex Harvey came on you could see the whole audience sit up and take notice - he was a charismatic character. Thin Lizzy were something of a disappointment - but I think SAHB would have been a hard act for anyone to follow!
Wonderful memories Ruth - thanks so much
Now then, how about the burning issue of the day? The best six tracks by Slade?....
Now then, how about the burning issue of the day? The best six tracks by Slade?....

Cum On Feel The Noize
Gudbuy T’Jane
Mama Weer All Crazee Now
Skweeze Me, Pleeze Me
Them Kinda Monkeys Can't Swing
In The Dog House
Cap doffed and jar raised to this...
^ Lovely stuff Mark - though no Coz I Luv You?
PS - Never heard that Little Richard version before. Stonkingly good. As one YouTube commenter observes, did he ever make a bad record?
PS - Never heard that Little Richard version before. Stonkingly good. As one YouTube commenter observes, did he ever make a bad record?


Nigeyb, I'm asking friends who are into the following for recommendations re. best stuff/ where to start - perhaps a consensus will emerge (or not) - and wondered what your opinion would be on:
a) best/favourite Cleaners from Venus albums or comps
b) ditto, junkshop glam compilations

The best places to start would be these two compilations, Velvet Tinmine and Boobs, out on RPM through Cherry Red. Both are solid in terms of track selection, track sourcing and comp mastering.
After those, I'd recommend Glitter From The Litter Bin, out through Castle...
There's also a couple bootleg series available on cd-r, but I wouldn't know how to point you in their direction. Comps like Elements and Glammories turned up round my local shops about ten years ago but, as I said, a search for them would likely end in frustration.
As far as Cleaners From Venus are concerned, that's Nige's turf, and I'll humbly leave it to him.
Hope that helps at least a bit. Happy to upload a selection of junkshop glam stuff for you if want a quick fix of the digital variety. Just let me know.

I was slightly sceptical about it all until I finally listened to the Brett Smiley album earlier this year; was prepared to find it mediocre at best (I'd have loved the book regardless) - but was surprised to find I love it, and have played it lots on repeat.
I've been reading Retromania which got me into looking at all sorts of compilations the other day including the Saint Etienne Presents ones, so it was great to see the Croydon Municipal stuff on the Cherry Red site too. (I tend to think of them as Momus's label, hadn't realised quite what a huge range of other stuff they have.)
Well done Mark. The three biggies are Boobs, Velvet Tinmine and Glitter From The Litter Bin - with Glitterbest worth getting for the punkier end of the genre.
I'm struggling to come up with a best Cleaners album or albums Antonomasia because Martin Newell is so damn prolific. Confusingly he has also been using the Cleaners moniker for his more recent output. The best entry point is "The Wayward Genius of Martin Newell" - a compilation from the late 90s that contains a good selection of Cleaners material and a few other bits and pieces too.
An hour or two spent on YouTube will help you to decide what you enjoy the most...
If you decide to go in deep there's a New York reissue label - Captured Tracks - that has put together three lovely box sets of most of the original Cleaners releases.
I'm struggling to come up with a best Cleaners album or albums Antonomasia because Martin Newell is so damn prolific. Confusingly he has also been using the Cleaners moniker for his more recent output. The best entry point is "The Wayward Genius of Martin Newell" - a compilation from the late 90s that contains a good selection of Cleaners material and a few other bits and pieces too.
An hour or two spent on YouTube will help you to decide what you enjoy the most...
If you decide to go in deep there's a New York reissue label - Captured Tracks - that has put together three lovely box sets of most of the original Cleaners releases.

Yes, that's the thing, so much material!
I usually like to say, just start somewhere rather than asking people where. But when a discography is so huge and varied it makes a difference. (And even the compilations are huge, which seems to be the case with the Cleaners also.)
e.g. - first Bowie album, 93 or 94, Black Tie White Noise, quite liked but not wowed. Had daft policy then of starting with most recent output, not always a good idea. Other than a single-disc compilation pre-university, I didn't buy any Bowie albums until 06, and took even longer to get into him properly.
- first Fall album, Code: Selfish, from their early 90s dancey phase, loved it and instantly considered myself a Fall fan - though I realised eventually that I only really liked about 3 albums, plus certain songs from The Fall Box Set (or maybe my tastes changed - I like a lot less shouty and hyper-sounding music now than I did 15+ years ago)
(If someone asked me where to start with The Fall, I guess I'd tell them personal favourites with the proviso that they're atypical, suggest one of the smaller compilations, then consult other sources to see what the consensus was on the best albums if certain phases.)
^ I've never got Black Tie White Noise - v anodyne to my ears. His run of albums through the 70s is peerless though and probably all anyone needs (perhaps with a few selected tracks from the rest)
Code: Selfish is one of my fave Fall albums but, again, you could distil the best of their output down to 50,000 Fall Fans Can't Be Wrong. I've lost all interest in them for the last 10 years or so. Watching MES stumble around a stage just got too depressing.
So yep, I think I am reinforcing your view that starting with most recent output is frequently not a good idea. Many artists only really have one great album in them, and the rest is just law of diminishing returns (e.g. Massive Attack, The Strokes).
Code: Selfish is one of my fave Fall albums but, again, you could distil the best of their output down to 50,000 Fall Fans Can't Be Wrong. I've lost all interest in them for the last 10 years or so. Watching MES stumble around a stage just got too depressing.
So yep, I think I am reinforcing your view that starting with most recent output is frequently not a good idea. Many artists only really have one great album in them, and the rest is just law of diminishing returns (e.g. Massive Attack, The Strokes).

There are a few tracks on there I love, e.g. Jump They Say. But I can enjoy the whole album more because of goodwill built up from the other stuff. (I'm sure I enjoy middling albums more if they are by artists whose other work I love.)
I've lost all interest in them for the last 10 years or so. Watching MES stumble around a stage just got too depressing.
I saw them 3 times in the 00s; I've forgotten so many gigs I went to past the fact of being there, but Fall gigs on the other hand were generally memorable because stuff happened (especially one where the crowd got angry about a terrible support act) and they were pretty raucous.
Thanks to Mark's links to Cherry Red, (& Tidal free trial) I've played this compilation, about 4 times since last night. May interest you given its billing as the sort of music that was played in the Colony Room in the 50s and 60s. Don't know how fanciful the idea is, but Bob Stanley et al do their research, so may be true.
I like lounge compilations as an idea but often find they have too many slower tracks or highly emotive love songs to be my idea of fun & light - this though is uptempo and a bit silly and I love it.

If these two songs are any indication of the comp's overall merit, I really do need to scoop up a copy...
Bonnie St Claire - Clap Your Hands & Stomp Your Feet...
Lemming - Father John
^ I nearly mentioned it Mark but didn't want to overwhelm Antonomasia. Yep it's another goodie.
My favourite track is Let Your Hair Hang Down by Catapult (which is also on Boobs). Sadly this comp doesn't also contain the other classic track by Catapult "Teeny Bopper Band". Look in the dictionary under "Glam Rock" and this is what you will find...just listen to the production, the great vocals, try doing the high kicks, look at the delight on their faces. Life was never, ever quite as good again for these fellows...
My favourite track is Let Your Hair Hang Down by Catapult (which is also on Boobs). Sadly this comp doesn't also contain the other classic track by Catapult "Teeny Bopper Band". Look in the dictionary under "Glam Rock" and this is what you will find...just listen to the production, the great vocals, try doing the high kicks, look at the delight on their faces. Life was never, ever quite as good again for these fellows...
The CD version of the Clap Your Hands & Stomp Your Feet comp also contains Pantherman by Pantherman which is another corker that I am sure you will already know and love...
Pantherman - Pantherman
PS: I might as well mention the other recommendation I had for Antonomasia - Italian neo-Glam/Bovver band Giuda, who pitch up in London every 6 months or so....
GIUDA - Roll The Balls
Gonna be in Brooklyn on 13 June 2016 Mark!...
Pantherman - Pantherman
PS: I might as well mention the other recommendation I had for Antonomasia - Italian neo-Glam/Bovver band Giuda, who pitch up in London every 6 months or so....
GIUDA - Roll The Balls
Gonna be in Brooklyn on 13 June 2016 Mark!...

I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm in possession of the complete recorded works of Pantherman, which add up to the towering sum of seven cuts. If there are any gaps in your Pantherman archives, let me know and I'll upload the lot later on today.
Thanks Mark. Pantherman-wise, I only have "Pantherman" and "You Are My Friend". If you consider the rest worth owning then I will gladly take you up on your offer.

I really appreciate the idea, although it would have taken more than two albums. I still have recs to work through from another thread: if there are huge numbers of suggestions, and you don't love the first few they can start to feel like work (in that thread, it appeared that the other people liked about 33% more glitch in their electronica than I do). But this here is still a manageable quantity.
Those 70s tracks were all fun, though I confess I spent most of the Bonnie St Claire video wondering if her hair was real or a wig, the tone of the bleach was so perfect.
Re. neo-glam, I love the FFS album from last year. Again, I was surprised just how much.

I was on tenterhooks with worry that her hair -- or wig -- would get caught up in the machinery. Mercifully, it didn't.

Mustard - Good Time Comin'
Apparently it's also on a compilation called Killed By Glam, which looks to be pretty much unavailable.
Now noticed this song was posted on the Glam Rock thread 3 years ago, but it's good enough to bear repeating IMO. :)

As goes the Killed By Glam compilation... I remember hearing about them when they first came out, but never managed to turn up a copy, never mind hearing the contents. If memory serves -- which it tends not to do very much, these days -- there were two or three volumes, vinyl only and pressed in ridiculously small quantities.
I stumbled upon this clip, though, which did the job of frying my wig and waxing my floorboards. The guitar breaks alone are well worth the cost of admission...
Hank The Knife & The Jets -- Guitar King
Clearly, the vocalist [Hank, presumably] went to the same barber as Brian Eno.

Was that out in Britain in the 70s? First verse reminds me rather a lot of Adam Ant's Goody Two Shoes; wondering if he may have been inspired by it.
Incidentally, this is what should have been (and is in spirit) the first single I bought:
if only Woolworths Saturday girls - no doubt more interested in Duran Duran - had made sense of a kid's attempts to describe a Slade video from the telly. Presumably rather uncool at the time, but lots of fun.

How The West Was Won is slated for a 30 June 2017 release, and judging by the lead-off single, it's not only a fine return to form, but also something very much worth looking forward to.
The video has just premiered and can be viewed here...
Pre-orders and additional info here...
Thanks Mark. It's excellent and augers well for the album.
I have his last solo foray recorded as "The One" which is a winner.
A few year back when The Only Ones reformed I saw them play twice. Pete did not look at all well. Lord knows how he has survived this long. Still, I'm delighted about this new album.
I have his last solo foray recorded as "The One" which is a winner.
A few year back when The Only Ones reformed I saw them play twice. Pete did not look at all well. Lord knows how he has survived this long. Still, I'm delighted about this new album.

Love this song, The Invaders, about the early British Invasion and the Kinks less than enthusiastic welcome...
I've not heard it yet Susan but I am interested as I am a big fan of The Kinks. I've read one Kinks biog - but not Ray's own.
The one I've read is called 'You Really Got Me: The Story of the Kinks'. Here's my review...
/review/show...
The one I've read is called 'You Really Got Me: The Story of the Kinks'. Here's my review...
/review/show...


Roots, Radicals and Rockers: How Skiffle Changed the World

Anyone interested in reading along when it comes out?
Thanks again Susan - that's very helpful, and enticing
I might wait until the paperback edition comes out, or see if my library gets it, or see if I can get it as a Kindle deal. It's starting price is a tad high.
I suspect Mr B will cover similar territory to the splendid 'The Restless Generation' by Pete Frame. Here's my review...
/review/show...
I'm looking forward to getting my mitts on 'Roots, Radicals and Rockers: How Skiffle Changed the World'
I might wait until the paperback edition comes out, or see if my library gets it, or see if I can get it as a Kindle deal. It's starting price is a tad high.
I suspect Mr B will cover similar territory to the splendid 'The Restless Generation' by Pete Frame. Here's my review...
/review/show...
I'm looking forward to getting my mitts on 'Roots, Radicals and Rockers: How Skiffle Changed the World'
I've only read Chronicles, by the man himself, and which I loved. The 'No Direction Home' Scorsese TV doc is a cracker too.
'Chronicles, Vol. 1' was a memoir written by Bob Dylan hisself which attracted a lot of hoopla when it was published back in 2004. And rightly so. It's great.
A slim 304 page volume that covers three selected era from Bob's career: 1961, 1970, and 1989. Chronicles is, supposedly, the first part of a three volume collection but the wait suggests he might have lost interest.
A slim 304 page volume that covers three selected era from Bob's career: 1961, 1970, and 1989. Chronicles is, supposedly, the first part of a three volume collection but the wait suggests he might have lost interest.


It worked well Susan. It's not a biography but it does give some insights into his thinking. The Scorsese doc is well worth seeking out.
Some more ideas here...
Some more ideas here...

I also have the Billy Bragg on pre-order, as well as Uncommon People: The Rise and Fall of the Rock Stars

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This mix aims for an early 1970s, mournful, melancholy, wistful, post-hippy comedown vibe. A bit different from my normal mixes however it’s an era that fascinates me and here, as you listen, I’m hoping you’ll be able to smell the unmistakeable tang of a wet Afghan goat, partially masked by patchouli and joss sticks, whilst a news bulletin reports the latest activity of urban guerilla’s The Angry Brigade
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Suggested books to accompany the mix....
Strange Days Indeed: The Golden Age of Paranoia by Francis Wheen
My Revolutions by Hari Kunzru
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Tracklist:
Thunderclap Newman - Something In The Air
Brian Protheroe - Pinball
Faces - Glad and Sorry
David Bowie - Eight Line Poem
Bread - The Guitar Man
Roxy Music - Chance Meeting
America - A Horse With No Name
The Rolling Stones - Coming Down Again
Elton John - Goodbye Yellow Brick Road
Faces - Debris
Lesley Duncan - Everything Changes
Cat Stevens - Where Do The Children Play?
Jonathan Kelly - Madelaine
The Rolling Stones - Wild Horses
Mott The Hoople - All The Young Dudes
David Bowie - Quicksand
Faces - If I’m On The Late Side
Slade - Everyday