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Searching for character growth/relationship 'plot focus'.
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For later this year. :p

It isn't finished yet, but so far The Kingkiller Chronicle (The Name of the Wind ) is in line to be that. We listen as the main character slowly builds and loses friendships and lovers and there's gotta be a major piece coming to connect where we are now and where he starts his story.
If you're down for YA, The Song of the Lioness by Tamora Pierce ( Alanna: The First Adventure) series is an amazing saga of friendship and blood ties, as well as personal growth. Really fun world, lovable characters and a little on the lighter side than my other suggestions.
...I'm not sure I can't not say The Once and Future King. I sound like a broken record. You should all go read it so I can stop badgering you. (And tell me when you get to the badger!) Truly amazing growth though, the number of times that book made me cry seeing where everyone started and where they end! It's one of the most believable epics I've ever read. You really understand why and how they came to do the feats they've managed.
The Sevenwaters trilogy by Juliet Marillier is shorter on growth, but vast on depth. Content warning though, for sexual assault. It's a beautiful story though of familial love and learning to trust in romantic love, with great tie ins to Celtic mythology. Each of the characters have such different relationships with each other, and that slowly changes as they do.
If you're down for YA, The Song of the Lioness by Tamora Pierce ( Alanna: The First Adventure) series is an amazing saga of friendship and blood ties, as well as personal growth. Really fun world, lovable characters and a little on the lighter side than my other suggestions.
...I'm not sure I can't not say The Once and Future King. I sound like a broken record. You should all go read it so I can stop badgering you. (And tell me when you get to the badger!) Truly amazing growth though, the number of times that book made me cry seeing where everyone started and where they end! It's one of the most believable epics I've ever read. You really understand why and how they came to do the feats they've managed.
The Sevenwaters trilogy by Juliet Marillier is shorter on growth, but vast on depth. Content warning though, for sexual assault. It's a beautiful story though of familial love and learning to trust in romantic love, with great tie ins to Celtic mythology. Each of the characters have such different relationships with each other, and that slowly changes as they do.

On the sci fi side, Becky Chambers' recent The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet is really all about the crew personalities & relationship. C.J. Cherryh also tends to focus on the character relationship side of things (it's a key piece of her Foreigner series, which is somewhat glacially paced; the Chanur Chronicles are a little more fun and involve a human getting know members of a feline-like alien species; Cyteen includes the relationships of a character and her clone). I feel like C. S. Friedman also does this well; she writes both sci fi and fantasy & combinations thereof.
On the fantasy side, I feel like Kate Elliott usually does a good job with this. (Her recent Spiritwalker trilogy is not my absolute favorite of her works -- that would be either the Crown of Stars or Crossroads series -- but it does specifically focus on a sibling relationship.)

But if you do tackle this book, be warned beforehand, it contains some graphic depictions of violence and some explicit sex. But it's all in context and not trashy. I loved this book.


Bernard Cornwell's Saxon series is of course historic fiction, but from a time where it may as well have been heroic fantasy and it does work as such. It is, as always, well researched and well put together but my problem with Mr Cornwell is that after a while its all the same (different uniforms, different places, guns or swords) and whilst the familiarity is comforting in a way there is just nothing new.
Imagine going out to buy a David Bowie CD and expecting Ziggy Stardust but you get Tin Machine. Now you may think Tin Machine are terrible but at least it is different and you might just like it. I enjoy Bernard's books, I have read around twenty of them
but the only way I know to tell them apart is time period, they are like an old blanket that you find warm and always know what you are getting.

I also thought her a great character in her entirity



I agree about Codex Alera. A lot of personal growth and interaction, done in a very organic way. I liked the series very much.


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I have just finished (By which I mean, most of this year has been dedicated to.) reading alot of Brandon Sanderson's work and they are amongst the best I have ever read in my personal opinion!
Lately though, I have had an inkling for books which have more character growth and development through interactions with other characters long-term, differing relationships with the plot then aiding to provide points of growth etctera. If that makes sense!
I'm looking for books which have more depth to the relationships, not strictly of a romantic sort but Father-Daughter, Siblings. Queen and Knight etc. I felt a lot of books that I have read lately have the awesome story and plot advancements, but much of the relationship growth between characters is almost 'off page' and kind of expected. In perspective of Brandon Sanderson's books, I am almost looking for something that has the depth of his magic systems, translated into character relationships, but still the epic world building and story.
I hope my rambling has managed to make sense! I thought it worth asking, trying to find a more specific kind of book outside of the setting is proving a tad challenging for me.