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Please post any questions about our Fall sub-challenge in this thread.

Here are some ideas for the Narrator/POV category from the GR Community. The titles in the lists/shelves are not automatically approved, but will help provide direction for you.

Narrator/POV over 60:
Protagonists Over 60, Popular Over 60 Books, Popular Aged Books

Narrator/POV Under 13 (It might be worthwhile to check for YA/Lexile for these):
Adult Fiction With Child Protagonist, Popular Child Narrator Books

First Person:
Popular First Person Books

Unreliable Narrator:
Books with Unreliable Narrators, Popular Unreliable Narrator Books, Popular Unreliable Books

Multiple Narrators:
The Best Books That Change Narrators Every Chapter, Novels told by Multiple Narrators/POV, Dual Time Mysteries


I also used the "Look Inside" feature at Amazon when checking specific titles.

To formulate my plan, I had a big spreadsheet. I first listed books I thought I might want to read, keeping some of the obvious categories in mind, like continent, title, and genre.

In another column, I listed all of the categories a book qualified for - most had at least 4, which *really* helped when it came making final choices. I took an extra step of marking them in columns beneath the category options and color-coded. Funny? Almost anal? Yes, but it was the visual I needed to be able to see which categories had only 1 or 2 sub-categories.

From there it was fairly easy to let my choices fall into slots. Not everything worked (I always have more books I want to read than will fit in a season), but hopefully there will be RwS tasks for those.

I have a genre to lock in:

classics for Embers

Historical Fiction for To Serve Them All My Days

I had these recorded backwards in my posted plan, and now have fixed that. Thanks, Valerie, for the thanks over there, and you had me reviewing it just to make sure I hadn't slipped up.

For the author's name do we use first or last name(s) or which ever one works?

Valerie wrote: "For the author's name do we use first or last name(s) or which ever one works?"

First letter of their published name.

John Irving is J
Min Jin Lee is M
Xinran is X

Kate S wrote: "Valerie wrote: "For the author's name do we use first or last name(s) or which ever one works?"

First letter of their published name.

John Irving is J
Min Jin Lee is..."

Thank you!

For genre, do we use what is on the book’s ŷ������ page? Some books may fit more than one ie The Good Earth could be historical fiction or classics/ Lit Fiction

Yes, GR main page genre section. If you want to lock in a genre in case it slips off, let us know. And yes, some books will qualify for more than one. I think I had a title that was listed for three!

Lynn - this book is a YA Assignment at BPL and has a Lexile of790. It cannot be used for the sub-challenge.

5. F3 The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger author's name

I apologize to anyone who has relied on some aspects of my posted plan. Some category letters were changed since I made my plan and I wasn't paying attention! I have edited it so it actually conforms to the "How to Play" post.

For the titles....are subtitles excluded with the exception of the one category that requires them?

Ed wrote: "For the titles....are subtitles excluded with the exception of the one category that requires them?"

The books may have a subtitle, but the requirements should be in the title and not the subtitle.

Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "Ed wrote: "For the titles....are subtitles excluded with the exception of the one category that requires them?"

The books may have a subtitle, but the requirements should be in the title and not t..."

ok...got it...thanks

Is Israel considered Asia?

Kathleen (itpdx) wrote: "Is Israel considered Asia?"

Yes.

Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "Lynn - this book is a YA Assignment at BPL and has a Lexile of790. It cannot be used for the sub-challenge.

5. F3 The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger author's name"


Good catch again. Thank you.

I’ll show my failing memory of high school English to ask this question. With the elder, child and multiple narrators, do they all need to speak in the first person or can it just be from their POV? I’ve found a book with three points of view but one character is in her own voice and the other two are in the third person.

Rebekah wrote: "With the elder, child and multiple narrators, do they all need to speak in the first person or can it just be from their POV?"

They just need to be the POV, not first person. Some books may fit more than one sub-category for this - 3rd person and over 60, for instance.

Rebekah wrote: "I’ve found a book with three points of view but one character is in her own voice and the other two are in the third person. "

This sounds as if it fits the multiple narrator sub-category.

Does Russia count as Europe or Asia?

Coralie wrote: "Does Russia count as Europe or Asia?"

Russia is a two-fer. Although the greater population is in Europe, it straddles those continents. You may count if for the one that is most useful to your plan.

Thank you.

If a dystopian novel is set in "future Britain" will that count for Europe as setting? Thinking about Gnomon.

Joanna wrote: "If a dystopian novel is set in "future Britain" will that count for Europe as setting? Thinking about Gnomon."

Yes, if enough is set there.

Here are my questions
1. For E6 - does the title have to start with one of those letters or any word in the title start with that letter or can the letter exist in any of the words in the title? Do sub - titles count?
Quaker Indictment
Hugh Wynne, Free Quaker
Red Square
Mothers of Feminism : The Story of Quaker Women in America

2. For E1 - does the name have to be a character in the book?
Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why
Bless Me, Ultima
The Jane Austen Book Club
Washington, Village and Capital, 1800-1878
I Dreamed I Married Perry Mason
Virginia Authors Book Sampler: Winter 2016
Reading Lolita in Tehran: A Memoir in Books

3. Still for E1- does it matter if it is first name, or last name or both?
Belinda
Truman
Oliver Twist
Lady Chatterley's Lover

4. Still E1- can the name be in the subtitle?
A Secret Sisterhood: The Literary Friendships of Jane Austen, Charlotte Brontë, George Eliot, and Virginia Woolf

5 For E1 - are possessives ok?
Aunt Erma's Cope Book
Mr. Penumbra's 24-Hour Bookstore

6. For E2 - would all these forms be acceptable?
2666
One of Our Thursdays Is Missing
The Second I Saw You: The True Love Story of Rupert Brooke and Phyllis Gardner
First Lady from Plains
Yesterday and Today on Forty-Second Street
Queen Elizabeth II: A Biography of Queen Elizabeth II
Stop Dressing Your Six-Year-Old Like a Skank: And Other Words of Delicate Southern Wisdom
The Moon and Sixpence
The Ones Who Don't Stay
4th of July
And again, subtitles?
Prophet's Prey: My Seven-Year Investigation Into Warren Jeffs and the Fundamentalist Church of Latter-Day Saints

7. For E5- the instructions say articles can’t be repeated but what about conjunctions? Or pronoun possessive?
Pride and Prejudice and Zombies
My Best Friend, the Atlantic Ocean, and Other Great Bodies Standing Between Me and My Life with Giulio

Or pronouns?
I Gave You My Heart, but You Sold It Online

Or small words
In the Shadow of Young Girls in Flower

8.For E5 - can the repeated word be in the subtitle?
Green River, Running Red: The Real Story of the Green River Killer - America's Deadliest Serial Murderer

For Category E, all of the requirements have to be in the title not the subtitle, except, obviously, E4 for the non-generic subtitle

E6 - The letter can appear anywhere in the title

E2 - The Number may be numerical or spelled out, but it must be a number or its plural, no ordinals or combined words, so Second and Sixpence won't work (Forty-second is OK, because Forty works)

E1 - Either first or last name - don't get too wild here, Rebekah, Washington, Village and Capital, 1800-1878 refers to a place, not a person.

Answers to your other questions in due time.

Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "For Category E, all of the requirements have to be in the title not the subtitle, except, obviously, E4 for the non-generic subtitle

E6 - The letter can appear anywhere in the title

E2 - The Numb..."

Ok thanks! But just to be sure, Washington Black would work because it is actually the name of the main character, right? Does the name have to be an interactive character or can it be a name of someone not there as in Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why and I Dreamed I Married Perry Mason ? What about Reading Lolita in Tehran: A Memoir in Books?

E5 - We only disallowed articles in the How To thread, so your other examples would work, except, again, the title sub-categories apply only to the title, not the subtitle.

E1 - It is OK if the name in the title doesn't refer to a person in the book.

Keep in mind, these aren't like tasks. You can complete a sub-category only once, regardless of whether you repeat Pick N Mix 2.

Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "E5 - We only disallowed articles in the How To thread, so your other examples would work, except, again, the title sub-categories apply only to the title, not the subtitle.

E1 - It is OK if the na..."


I understand about the limit. I’m just trying to slot one in every category now and then finalize once all the other tasks are posted in case I want to switch things around. Just trying to see what all my options could be. Smile

Oh and I started with the more difficult categories.

Rebekah wrote: "Oh and I started with the more difficult categories."

I just listed a bunch of books I wanted to read, and I actually started with a book that has a number in the title. Most books fit in several categories, so then it was just a matter of making decisions.

Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote:
I just listed a bunch of books I wanted to read, and I actually started with a book that has a number in the title. Most books fit in several categories, so then it was just a matter of making decisions."

This is what I did as well. I made a list of about 12-15 books that I wanted to read, then figured out which categories they each fit, then started sorting until I got to a list of 10 that matched up all the factors.

Can the repeated word for E5 be in the subtitle like in Museum: Behind the Scenes at the Metropolitan Museum of Art?

Beth wrote: "Can the repeated word for E5 be in the subtitle like in Museum: Behind the Scenes at the Metropolitan Museum of Art?"

No, sorry. For Category E, all of the requirements have to be in the title not the subtitle, except, obviously, E4 for the non-generic subtitle.

YA Assignment

Just want to be sure I have this straight for the subchallenge.

Long Day's Journey into Night by Eugene O'Neill is shelved as “Assignment�� at BPL. It is also on Bloom’s Canon. Because it is on the Canon, I can use it for Pick n Mix 2. Is this correct?

Mary wrote: "YA Assignment

Just want to be sure I have this straight for the subchallenge.

Long Day's Journey into Night by Eugene O'Neill is shelved as “Assignment�� at BPL. It is a..."

Correct.

Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "Mary wrote: "YA Assignment

Just want to be sure I have this straight for the subchallenge.

Long Day's Journey into Night by Eugene O'Neill is shelved as “Assignment�� at..."

Thanks!

Genres to lock in please:

Hostages to Fortune - Literary Fiction

The Autobiography of Alice B. Toklas - Nonfiction (shouldn't disappear, but since I'm here...)

Rosemary wrote: "Genres to lock in please:

Hostages to Fortune - Literary Fiction

The Autobiography of Alice B. Toklas - Nonfiction (shouldn't disappear, but since I'm here...)"

Got them!

May I lock in The Yellow Dog for "Classics" and The Carter of 'La Providence' for "Historical Fiction"?

Yes - enjoy!

With the Narrators (C) - I am specifically looking at #2 (child's), does it have to be 100% child narrator?

I'm about 40% of the book I've slotted for C2 and it is mostly child narrator but there are some chapters (albeit shorter in length) that are told from other adult characters

Tien wrote: "With the Narrators (C) - I am specifically looking at #2 (child's), does it have to be 100% child narrator?

I'm about 40% of the book I've slotted for C2 and it is mostly child narrator but there ..."

You should be good with that. At least 51% of the book should meet the requirement.

Terrific! Thanks, Elizabeth.

Can a letter or number be skipped if we can still get 10 books out of the others? Ex A1, A2, B1, B2, C3, C4, D3, D4, E5, E6 and skipping F? Or do we have to use every number and every letter at least once?

Rebekah wrote: "Can a letter or number be skipped if we can still get 10 books out of the others? Ex A1, A2, B1, B2, C3, C4, D3, D4, E5, E6 and skipping F? Or do we have to use every number and every letter at lea..."

Yes, you can skip a letter or a number. The restriction is that you cannot use a letter or a number more than two times in a round, and you cannot reuse any specific sub-category.

Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "Rebekah wrote: "Can a letter or number be skipped if we can still get 10 books out of the others? Ex A1, A2, B1, B2, C3, C4, D3, D4, E5, E6 and skipping F? Or do we have to use every number and eve..."

Ok, thanks. Just to be sure

Sorry to be dumb here, but after reading about locking in a genre I want to make sure I understand. So if you go to the page of the book and see the genre there on the main page, then you're good?

A Princess of Mars would be:

Science Fiction 1,689 users
Fantasy 926 users
Classics 656 users
Fiction 591 users
Adventure 284 users
Science Fiction Fantasy 133 users
Pulp 123 users
Romance 87 users
Audiobook 82 users
Novel 60 users


Or perhaps a certain number of readers needed to shelve it? Sorry.

Lynn wrote: "Sorry to be dumb here, but after reading about locking in a genre I want to make sure I understand. So if you go to the page of the book and see the genre there on the main page, then you're good?
..."

Yes, today. Those top ones are probably not going anywhere, and for this book you probably don't have to worry. We put that in there because the genre page can be somewhat fluid, mostly for books with fewer shelvings/ratings, and sometimes a genre will drop off the screen. We didn't want anyone to plug a book into their plan only to find when they went to claim it the genre was no longer on the page. By claiming it now, you've "locked it in" for future reading.

Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "Lynn wrote: "Sorry to be dumb here, but after reading about locking in a genre I want to make sure I understand. So if you go to the page of the book and see the genre there on the main page, then ..."

Thank you.