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From Charles J. Chaput, author of Living the Catholic Faith and Render unto Caesar comes Strangers in a Strange Land, a fresh, urgent, and ultimately hopeful treatise on the state of Catholicism and Christianity in the United States. America today is different in kind, not just in degree, from the past. And this new reality is unlikely to be reversed. The reasons include, but aren't limited to, economic changes that widen the gulf between rich and poor; problems in the content and execution of the education system; the decline of traditional religious belief among young people; the shift from organized religion among adults to unbelief or individualized spiritualities; changes in legal theory and erosion in respect for civil and natural law; significant demographic shifts; profound new patterns in sexual behavior and identity; the growth of federal power and its disregard for religious rights; the growing isolation and elitism of the leadership classes; and the decline of a sustaining sense of family and community.

I will add at least one discussion question this morning. I have several more, but Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ is acting up - it took three tries to get it to accept this introduction and it just ate my first question. Hopefully later I will be able to get the rest of the questions up.

I've only read 20 pages of a printed copy and already bookmarked one poignant passage on page 12 that resonates with what is going on in the government political climate today. I also marked, then went ahead and ordered a book Pope Francis rereads, at least according to Charles J. Chaput and I was very surprised it's fiction.

Laura wrote: "I also marked, then went ahead and ordered a book Pope Francis rereads, at least according to Charles J. Chaput and I was very surprised it's fiction."

Yes, Lord of the World is fiction, not exactly science-fiction, but an Apocalyptic novel. It was written in 1907 and its science is now outdated, but its social predictions aren't. And yes, Pope Francis mentions this book a lot. You can find my review in Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ.

There were several items in the first Chapter that had a jolting effect on me. These have become such daily fare in the news along with the rest that it is possible to become oblivious to them:

The Supreme Court decision in the Obergefell v. Hodges that states must license same sex marriage and recognize similar arrangements from out of state.

"The biggest failure of my (baby boomer) generation . . . has been our failure to pass along our faith in a compelling way to the generation now taking our place . . . because ‘Christian faith� didn’t really matter to us."

"Augustine is the grim Christian polemicist from a dark and barbarous past . . . At this moment in time after twentieth century, the bloodiest, most irrationally fanatic and destructive in history ‘what constitutes barbarism? And which moment in time is really
darker �"

"The real problem with the world is us."

Yes, the quote from the “City of God� is a quite good description of our government and politics of today. Another group (Catholic Thought) is reading this classic at this time.

Manuel wrote: "Laura wrote: "I also marked, then went ahead and ordered a book Pope Francis rereads, at least according to Charles J. Chaput and I was very surprised it's fiction."

Yes, [book:Lord of the World|2..."I'll look for your review. Hopefully no spoilers. I just received a new copy of Lord of the World today.

Galicius wrote: "There were several items in the first Chapter that had a jolting effect on me. These have become such daily fare in the news along with the rest that it is possible to become oblivious to them:

T..."It is chilling both how much has changed and how little.

Didn't this group read Lord of the World a few years ago?

Yes, in March 2017.

Mariangel wrote: "Yes, in March 2017."

This is the link: /topic/group...

Laura wrote: "I've only read 20 pages of a printed copy and already bookmarked one poignant passage on page 12 that resonates with what is going on in the government political climate today. I also marked, then ..."

We read Lord of the World as a group in March 2017. It's probably more than time for a reread if you would like to nominate it. I was also surprised that Pope Francis rereads this and wonder what lesson he takes from it.

EDIT: Oops, already noted.

Galicius wrote: "There were several items in the first Chapter that had a jolting effect on me. These have become such daily fare in the news along with the rest that it is possible to become oblivious to them:

"The real problem with the world is us.""

I was struck by this as well and its echo of the possibly apocryphal story of Chesterton being asked by a London newspaper for a column on the problem with the world today turning in "The problem with the world today is me."

John wrote: "story of Chesterton being asked..."

What you wrote reminds me of Chesterton's "What's Wrong with the World" and his line:

"if a man is hanged, we all hanged him."

Manuel wrote: "Laura wrote: "I also marked, then went ahead and ordered a book Pope Francis rereads, at least according to Charles J. Chaput and I was very surprised it's fiction."

Yes, [book:Lord of the World|2..."

It was Mr. Pearce before tan everybody who rescued this book of the forgotten books. My friend Alfonseca and me discuss about Robert Hugh Benson and the Apocalypse book. Robert Hugh Benson would have inspired to Michael D. O`Brien his saga of the son of the last days. In my opinión i am going to say a blasphemy If Robert Hugh Benson had lived 80 years with a quality helath he would have been the best English Catholic writer perhaps beating to J.R.R. Tolkien and my beloved G.K. Chesterton.

John wrote: "Laura wrote: "I've only read 20 pages of a printed copy and already bookmarked one poignant passage on page 12 that resonates with what is going on in the government political climate today. I also..."

It is not strange John, because there are in Argentina two writers who wrote books similar to Robert Hugh Benso Hugo Wast /book/show/2... /author/show...
and one of the favorite writers of my beloved Juan Manuel de Prada the Jesuit Leonardo Castellani /author/show...
who wrote a lot about the Apocalypse and how the might happen the Apocalypse. I Will write son a review of this book The Papers of Benjamin Benavides /book/show/2... /book/show/1...

thanks to this book i discovered that Robert Hugh Benson have novelized a book of his father the Archbishop of Canterbory about the Apocalypse.

Galicius wrote: "There were several items in the first Chapter that had a jolting effect on me. These have become such daily fare in the news along with the rest that it is possible to become oblivious to them:

T..."

This is one of the things that it impressed to me the comparaison between the Pope Francis and Saint Augustine of Hippo. Comparing the barbarian centuries of the decline of Roman Empire with our time that in my opinión is Wilder tan the final of the roman empire.

Speaking about other book that it was chosen by our group in my opinion Archbishop Chaput refutates in this book the Benedict Option by Rod Droher. Droher has an argue with my admired Juan Manuel de Prada, certainly with his comments Chaput gives the reason to Juan Manuel de Prada. The catholic must colaborate to regenerate the society. I like really much that Chaput quoted Patrick J. Deneen /book/show/3...#
whose book Why Liberalism Failed recomend to everybody although it is better and more complicate the The traditional society and his enemies by Jose Miguel Gambra /book/show/4... although perhaps the Gambra`s model migth not give in United States. De Prada would be enchanted that Chaput had written about Alexis Tocqueville and the limits of democracy and he would not be agree with the calvinism and the Illustration that Juan Manuel de Prada and me reject it.