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Deliver us from evil (Apr.2020)
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4. Should God have created us without freedom to prevent human atrocities?
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I don't think it is my place to judge what God has done. :-)
What I don't understand, I try to leave to His providence.
What I don't understand, I try to leave to His providence.
When offering this question, I didn't intend you to judge what God has done, I just wanted to point out the double contradiction of the atheist position, who accuse God (in whom they don't believe) of not having banned our freedom (in which they also don't believe). Otherwise, why do they say "If God exists, shouldn't He have prevented Auschwitz?" (or the abuses performed by communists in North Viet Nam).
In his semi-biographical work on C.S.Lewis (Shadowlands, 1985), William Nicholson introduces the following dialogue between the English author, who has just lost his wife and suffers a deep religious crisis, and his brother Warnie, who asks him:
"If you were in God's place, would you give your creatures freedom to choose?"
"Yes."
"If you could go back, would you have chosen otherwise?"
"No."
So this is a divine decision where we can identify with God.
In his semi-biographical work on C.S.Lewis (Shadowlands, 1985), William Nicholson introduces the following dialogue between the English author, who has just lost his wife and suffers a deep religious crisis, and his brother Warnie, who asks him:
"If you were in God's place, would you give your creatures freedom to choose?"
"Yes."
"If you could go back, would you have chosen otherwise?"
"No."
So this is a divine decision where we can identify with God.

Manuel wrote: "When offering this question, I didn't intend you to judge what God has done, I just wanted to point out the double contradiction of the atheist position, who accuse God (in whom they don't believe)..."
Yes, as indicated by my emoji, my answer was intended in part to be humorous. But it is also serious because at root this is the atheist's argument: "If I was God and was all powerful I wouldn't permit suffering, especially not suffering of the innocent. Therefore, God does not exist."
There is an infantile, mindless, arrogance here, elevating the creature to judge the creator and it is inherent in the question. There is another answer, that which likely underlies Lewis's, without the possibility of choosing evil, good is meaningless. Love, Christian love, is a choice.
Yes, as indicated by my emoji, my answer was intended in part to be humorous. But it is also serious because at root this is the atheist's argument: "If I was God and was all powerful I wouldn't permit suffering, especially not suffering of the innocent. Therefore, God does not exist."
There is an infantile, mindless, arrogance here, elevating the creature to judge the creator and it is inherent in the question. There is another answer, that which likely underlies Lewis's, without the possibility of choosing evil, good is meaningless. Love, Christian love, is a choice.
John wrote: "There is an infantile, mindless, arrogance here, elevating the creature to judge the creator..."
Yes, this is what C.S. Lewis meant in the title and content of his paper God in the Dock.
Yes, this is what C.S. Lewis meant in the title and content of his paper God in the Dock.

Dooley himself never addresses this question. He simply wades into the effects of evil-doing and freely chooses to do what he can to improve the lot of individual victims, even though he knows it is only a drop in the bucket.
Do you think God has done well in allowing freedom, if the alternative is that we all be automata, and despite our abuses?