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message 1: by Diane (last edited Mar 31, 2024 09:17AM) (new)

Diane Zwang | 1851 comments Mod
1. How does Mann explore the theme of identity and self-discovery through the character of Joseph in "Joseph and His Brothers: Young Joseph"?

2. Discuss the significance of family dynamics in shaping Joseph's experiences and relationships in the novel.

3. Analyze the role of dreams and prophecy in "Young Joseph." How do these elements influence the characters' actions and the plot's progression?

4. Explore the themes of jealousy and betrayal in the relationships between Joseph and his brothers. How do these themes drive the narrative forward?

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6. Discuss the religious and spiritual undertones present in "Young Joseph." How does Mann weave biblical narratives and themes into the story?

7. Reflect on the character development of Joseph throughout the novel. What key events or decisions contribute to his growth?

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9. Explore the theme of fate versus free will in the novel. To what extent do the characters shape their own destinies, and how much is predetermined?

10. Consider the parallels between "Young Joseph" and the biblical story of Joseph in the Book of Genesis. How does Mann reinterpret and expand upon the biblical narrative?


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Patrick Robitaille | 1556 comments Mod
Having just finished Young Joseph and just started Joseph in Egypt, I feel that questions 5 and 8 would suit better the third part rather than the second one.


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Diane Zwang | 1851 comments Mod
Patrick wrote: "Having just finished Young Joseph and just started Joseph in Egypt, I feel that questions 5 and 8 would suit better the third part rather than the second one."

Well ChatGPT got it wrong. I will take the questions out. Thanks for the heads up.


message 4: by Rosemary (last edited Apr 12, 2024 08:45AM) (new)

Rosemary | 676 comments When I saw the questions, before I scrolled down, I thought "Perfect, if the other questions are difficult, I can just answer the blank 5 and 8" ;)

Not started yet, planning this one for next month.


message 5: by Rosemary (last edited May 23, 2024 12:47PM) (new)

Rosemary | 676 comments 1. How does Mann explore the theme of identity and self-discovery through the character of Joseph in "Joseph and His Brothers: Young Joseph"?

Joseph seems oblivious to everything except his own idea of himself (prompted by his grand dreams) until disaster hits, and when it's too late he understands how his brothers feel and how he has contributed to their jealousy and anger.

2. Discuss the significance of family dynamics in shaping Joseph's experiences and relationships in the novel.

See 1 and 4.

3. Analyze the role of dreams and prophecy in "Young Joseph." How do these elements influence the characters' actions and the plot's progression?

It's not so much the dreams themselves but Joseph's boasting/naive telling of them that push the plot along. Joseph has complete faith in his dreams and seems unable to realise that other people might not. (Presumably his brothers don't, or they would know they will not be able to stop them coming true, no matter what they do to Joseph.)

4. Explore the themes of jealousy and betrayal in the relationships between Joseph and his brothers. How do these themes drive the narrative forward?

Joseph fans the flames of his brothers' jealousy by flaunting his father's favouritism in the form of the coat of many colours, telling them of the dreams where they bow down to him, and even telling them that this is nothing compared to some of the dreams he has had. Jealousy is the main motive for their murderous violence towards him, which is the major plot driver in this section.

6. Discuss the religious and spiritual undertones present in "Young Joseph." How does Mann weave biblical narratives and themes into the story?

There seems to be a parallel drawn between Joseph in the well, having the stone cover rolled back and emerging, and Jesus after crucifixion in the cave, having the stone rolled back and emerging resurrected. I thought the person sitting on the well, when Reuben returns belatedly intending to rescue Joseph, was probably an angel, but this person isn't in the Bible. In fact all of Young Joseph is covered in only just over one page of Genesis in the copy I have. So I would say, rather than Mann weaving Biblical narratives and themes into the story, it is more a case of Mann elaborating on the narratives and themes of the Biblical story.

7. Reflect on the character development of Joseph throughout the novel. What key events or decisions contribute to his growth?

Being beaten up by one's brothers and left for dead in the bottom of a well would be a key event for anybody, I feel. It certainly seems to help Joseph grow up. It makes him understand his brothers rather than pushing him to anger and revenge, which says a lot for his character.

9. Explore the theme of fate versus free will in the novel. To what extent do the characters shape their own destinies, and how much is predetermined?

This is such a huge question in philosophy. I often wonder about it, and I fall on different sides at different times. If we are conditioned by our biology and our experiences, do we have free will at all? And in religious terms, what virtue is there in faith or good works if everything is determined by God? Mann seems to go for a middle path where foretelling the future is possible, so some outcomes are determined, but people still have choices... so the brothers could have decided against the well, but whatever they chose, they would still end up bowing down to Joseph, one way or another.

10. Consider the parallels between "Young Joseph" and the biblical story of Joseph in the Book of Genesis. How does Mann reinterpret and expand upon the biblical narrative?

The main thing I noticed here was that Mann gives Joseph and his father some of the blame for what happens, instead of putting it all on the brothers. But he has the brothers leave Joseph in the well for much longer than in Genesis - in fact most of them would have left him to die, while in Genesis they do at least pull him out and sell him into slavery. So Mann has everybody acting worse, basically. Or more like a regular dysfunctional family - no heroes.

I enjoyed this part much more than part 1.


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Amanda Dawn | 1670 comments Just finished this part today, just time time to hit Q2. I don't have much to add in the way of answering the questions, I agree with pretty much everything Rosemary has written here.

I did appreciate that Joseph's presumption of prophecy/holy grandeur is treated more closely to the way it would in real life (that it does NOT endear him to others), rather than what is often the modern biblical media approach of having all these figures be righteous, believed, and somehow not obnoxious to everyone around him. Or, that these figures are perfect so anyone not embracing them is just arbitrarily evil. So kudos for that.

I've only read pieces of the bible in my life, but do want to sit down and fully read it some day, so I like the suggestion in the questions here to check the novel against the source material. I think I'll do that for the remaining 2 parts since admittedly I'm still really not enjoying this one (I don't know why but my brain just kind of keeps rejecting it) and that might make it more interesting.

About the free will part: I do think Mann is pushing more of the 'fate' and not free will side but ironically more from a Jungian perspective than a biblical one.


message 7: by Gail (last edited Jun 30, 2024 10:31AM) (new)

Gail (gailifer) | 2126 comments I am about half way through the book. Joseph has been in Egypt for the last few chapters. I found his life in Egypt much easier to read than some of the earlier chapters. The characters, themes and "action", to the extent that there is action, are more straight forward.
Joseph is a more understandable man and less of an arrogant twit in this part and I liked him and his relationship with Mont-kaw.
I feel I answered some of the question regarding family and betrayal in the last round of questions. I will just answer a few more here:

6. Discuss the religious and spiritual undertones present in "Young Joseph." How does Mann weave biblical narratives and themes into the story?
10. Consider the parallels between "Young Joseph" and the biblical story of Joseph in the Book of Genesis. How does Mann reinterpret and expand upon the biblical narrative?

Mann takes the words of Genesis and extrapolates what could have happened between the lines of that fairly succinct telling in the Bible. He also adds the historical evolution of monotheism into the mix and the history of religion in Egypt and the middle east. Every region's local gods are as nothing in Joseph's eyes as he has seen a higher authority than these small gods that placate their worshippers. Joseph does have a strong relationship with the moon and he understands to a certain extent the life after death and god as animal worship of the Egyptians but he understands it as someone who can not himself believe in such silliness. He has a covenant with his God, and it is a covenant handed down to him from his forefathers but is nevertheless immediate and real. Mann describes, through Joseph's thoughts, that Joseph's god "is lonely and burn for faithfulness. We, however, are like a bride to His faithfulness, consecrated and set apart". Even surrounded as he is by a very different religion, Joseph is able to stay true to his own beliefs while not betraying those beliefs to many others.


7. Reflect on the character development of Joseph throughout the novel. What key events or decisions contribute to his growth?

After being pulled from the well, Joseph understands that he is experiencing a rebirth but also his travels to Egypt, which were foretold to him in his dreams, is a traveling down to the land of the dead. His true rebirth must lie ahead. He understands (finally) that he was the cause of his brother's jealousy and that he is the cause of his father's mourning. He decides that he must follow the way that his god has laid out for him and control his tongue, be good to Mont-Kaw, and aim as high as God allows him to aim. He matures considerably.


9. Explore the theme of fate versus free will in the novel. To what extent do the characters shape their own destinies, and how much is predetermined?

Although the characters make decisions that influence the story's events, Mann presents us with a Joseph who believes that it is his place in the world to make God's will come true. He must shine with God's life and not hamper or question the role that God has assigned him. He must aim high in order exercise God's will not his own. As Amanda mentions, it isn't a passive fate whatsoever, but almost a Jungian active expression.


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