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message 1: by Cristhian (new)

Cristhian Lozano | 1 comments Is there God? Beyond the belief in a higher entity, can human logic prove God's existence? I have set out to test the various paradoxes that, at first glance, seem to make the existence of God impossible. As a result of this work, I have created the saga of texts titled DEMONSTRATING THE EXISTENCE OF GOD . In this first installment, I address the analysis of the "stone paradox," which poses the question: "If God can do everything, can He create a stone that even He cannot lift?"

What do you think? Have I reached a definitive answer that resolves the paradox of the stone? I would love to hear your opinion.


message 2: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) Have you read Mere Christianity by C. S. Lewis? He had the same idea.


message 3: by An (new)

An Nguyen | 1 comments I feel that God is not real and that religion is a topic that we have made up to cope with the fact that we simply have no purpose at all. At the end of the day, we will never have any importance to anybody other than ourselves. our time will run out just as anything else’s will and there will be nothing to save us. Our idea of a God is just something to replace that fact. Heaven to all is only heaven to one. Someone’s idea of heaven and God could be someone else’s idea of Hell. that is why an idea of an all over Heaven is unfathomable. It does not exist.


message 4: by B. (new)

B. | 273 comments My favorite book on this topic is There Is No God And He Is Always With You by Brad Warner. It’s a Zen monk’s take on what God could be and what he isn’t. It really changed my perspective on religion in general and opened up possibilities of seeing God from a different viewpoint.


message 5: by Hank (new)

Hank Olivas (hankjr) Funny that this topic has come up as I’m about to start reading The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, after having just finished Gore Vidal’s farcical Live From Golgotha. I find the idea of God and “gods� in general fascinating, though I’m more or less an atheist/agnostic (with Catholic trappings). I tend to think that many people are fideists, whether they realize it or not, in that they believe because it is comforting, since the finality of death is so frightening and whether anything exists in the “beyond� is anyone’s guess.


message 6: by Bilal (new)

Bilal Saleem I hold no faith in God or any higher power, for they are merely human creations, designed to provide comfort when none truly exist. In our state of profound distress, we have formed these beliefs not based on truth, but on our desperate need—to unite ourselves in a sense of community, lest we be consumed by the chaos we ourselves have wrought.


message 7: by Jonas (last edited Feb 01, 2025 02:18PM) (new)

Jonas (DOGE Version) (countryboy1776) | 9 comments The notion that there is such a thing as Atheism, is false. Even if you do not believe that is any ''God"" what that leaves is that man is "God"


message 8: by Jonas (new)

Jonas (DOGE Version) (countryboy1776) | 9 comments To the original question, "Can God be fully proven?" It cannot be fully proven that there is a God, but on the other hand it can neither be proven that there is no God.
But we can look at the universe, and the organized way it is set up.
Also, if we study the earth, we relies that evolution is pratically impossible. A ball of gases and nitrogen that somehow appeared, cannot cool and form something heavier than thickened gasses.
Also, scientists cannot even create sustainable life !!!!!


message 9: by Jonas (new)

Jonas (DOGE Version) (countryboy1776) | 9 comments Jonas wrote: "The notion that there is such a thing as Atheism, is false. Even if you do not believe that is any ''God"" what that leaves is that man is "God""
Atheism is man's attempt to make himself God, and that man creates his own moral standards.


message 10: by Jonas (new)

Jonas (DOGE Version) (countryboy1776) | 9 comments Where do morals come from???? Where does logic come from????


message 11: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) I'll ask the obvious question: Where did God come from? That's the unanswerable one. How did something come from nothing? The universal mystery, even when we're not talking about God. We know there was a void, and then the big bang, but how did something come from a void? Answer that one if you can. And if you can't explain that, you have to leave room for the existence of a higher being.


message 12: by Susan (new)

Susan M Wells, Bookmark Reviews | 3 comments Yes, just like there is air.


message 13: by Lance, Group Founder (new)

Lance Morcan | 3047 comments Yes, but it requires faith, not logic, to believe it.


message 14: by Dr. (new)

Dr. Jasmine | 24 comments Scout wrote: "I'll ask the obvious question: Where did God come from? That's the unanswerable one. How did something come from nothing? The universal mystery, even when we're not talking about God. We know there..."

Hi Scout :o)

I guess most of adults have tasked themselves with answering this question at some point in their lives.. and those who think they did, feel very confident they are correct.. and are then compelled to share it with others :o)
This is why many books are written, after all.. feel free to look at my page - synopsis for Love, demystified- if you'd like to know my version of an answer :)

Jasmine


message 15: by Dr. (new)

Dr. Jasmine | 24 comments Lance wrote: "Yes, but it requires faith, not logic, to believe it."

Hi Lance :o)

How about faith AND logic?? This is how I wrote my book on the subject- " Love, demystified"- pure physics/other science and philosophy all combine to give you logic; then the art, the music, the poems and fiction- create emotions and lead to faith :)

Jasmine


message 16: by B. (new)

B. | 273 comments I have struggled mightily with this topic over the last twenty years. I was born and raised in Catholic faith. Married a Catholic woman. My kids are Catholic, but I have defected. I have read endlessly on the history and emergence of Christianity(in fact most of my college coursework was centered in and around this topic), as well as done deep dives into other religions: Judaism, Islam, Hinduism and other post-Vedic traditions including Jainism and Buddhism. I have even studied paganism, Druidism, Hermeticism, and other ancient mystery religions. This has taken me on quite the journey where I have learned about Platonism, Pythagorean thought, Gnostic belief which brings me full circle to Mystic Christianity. I cannot find true logic in any of it beyond Zen Buddhism, which asks you to question everything and to just sit in emptiness. No goals or explanations about what god or salvation is. Any way we would describe god logically would be based on bias, prejudicial belief, ego, etc because how could our little minds logically comprehend and endless being that created the universe? Belief is belief based in either what has been taught to you under penalty of hellfire or what you have grown to understand or think of when you think of the vast unknown. Many of the aforementioned religions have commonalities that are too obvious to be coincidence which begs the question then of: does this prove god exist because these themes are so prevalent throughout human history or does this merely prove that ancient humans needed comfort or explanation for why things happen and each religion simply borrowed from another over and over? I like that Buddha also mentioned that if there was a god he would be like a great body of water with multiple tributaries-branching off in different ways. It all leads back to the potential truth, but ultimately they are a part of the same thing. So what god is cannot be logically understood nor can it be argued from any one type of faith because god can look different to different people even though mostly he/she represents ultimately the same thing.


message 17: by B. (new)

B. | 273 comments Part 2: so by its very nature, faith requires that you separate “god� from the ultimate, vast unknown truth. By categorizing for as male or female, black or white or blue, vengeful or forgiving, present or absent, bearded or non-bearded, etc is simply a human trying to understand god in a way that is logical, but in doing so requires one to ignore the mystical greatness to pigeon hole that entity. Faith is simply circular logic which isn’t logic at all. If I say I have faith in an unknown entity and I’m not sure what happens to me after I die, I’ll have multiple religions calling me a heretic because I don’t belief in the formula they ascribe to. Completely illogical. Where I finally had a lightbulb moment was when I realized that must believe in Adam and Eve for Jesus as the savior to make sense because he only serves his purpose as messiah to cleanse the world of original sin. Logic dictated to me that two human ls could not beget the world, so Jesus, in that way, could not be real(in the ahistoric, faith based sense). I can believe there was a Jesus, but I think he followed something more akin to Buddhism/Hinduism/Jainism which pissed off the Sanhedrin and scared the Romans. Hell, even Constantine had to make Christianity the central religion of Rome to reign in the sub groups within Christianity. The bishops then called that church the Catholic(Universal) church to gain control over what the term Christian even meant because there were varied interpretations. Now take every religion since its inception, especially Christianity, but not limited to it, and tell me the logic that exists in sectarianism-Protestants vs Catholics, Shi vs Suni, Mahayana vs Vinyanna, etc.


message 18: by Papaphilly (new)

Papaphilly | 3 comments Great question and I have zero idea.


message 19: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 136 comments B. wrote: "Part 2: so by its very nature, faith requires that you separate “god� from the ultimate, vast unknown truth. By categorizing for as male or female, black or white or blue, vengeful or forgiving, pr..."

They all adhere to the logic of tribalism.


message 20: by B. (new)

B. | 273 comments J. Gowin,

Bingo!


message 21: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 136 comments Human failures do not negate the possibility of divinity. All we can do is accept said possibility and hope that if divinity exists, it will treat us justly.


message 22: by B. (new)

B. | 273 comments Well said!


message 23: by emilia (new)

emilia | 3 comments Hi guys, I just published an essay on *The Myth of Sisyphus* on Medium. If you enjoy deep philosophical debates and critical reflections on human existence, you should check it out. I’d love to hear your thoughts!
Here’s the link:




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