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Did anyone else read Debt of Bones? The story of Zedd as a young Wizard? I thought it was kinda cool to see him at the height of his power. I for one wouldn't mind seeing a book like that about Barracus and some of the other wizards before the great war or more interesting during. What untold powers they might have had..

I just got Debt of Bones for Christmas so I am not sure when I am going to get a chance to read it since I am only on Faith of the Fallen

I wanna read a book that deals w/Shota's promise to Richard and Kahlan. Considering Kahlan is the last confessor alive, the only way to for the line of confessors to continue is for Kahlan to do it. Shota promises that Richard and Kahlan's firstborn would be male and that she would stop at nothing to kill any male confessors. Where is this story at. I've wondered ever since she has made that promise, as we know Kahlan will not destroy Richard as they're protected by love, however we know Richard would not allow anyone to kill a child, I'd like to see how Terry would navigate that story and at the end if Shota would still be around or not????

also would the male confessor really be evil? I mean Richard is probable the most powerful War Wizard the world has seen in hundreds of years, and Kahlan is the Mother Confessor, surely they could have a good kid right? I think it would be a good story to read as well.

well if you all have read the Law of 9's something had to have happened with Richard and Kahlan's child. I don't want to give away spoilers, but there had to be some sort of agreement between Richard and Shota to protect the child's life to continue the family line.

I agree on both counts, but why her name, only suggests that kahlan had continued her line, The Rahl line died out, So if Richard and Kahlan had a kid whose last name would he/she recieve? I'm wondering with his upcoming announcement if it is a new book and which series is he continuing, and how? He purposefully left the time during and after Richard and Kahlan's reign vague in LO9's other than it was the Golden Age that followed, so I have to believe he plans to write about it at some point...

Meh, I'd much rather read a book about Rachel or perhaps Nicci or maybe Berdine. Those are books that need to be written.

What? Rachel's life w/Chase?, Nicci becoming a sister of the dark, or Nicci after Jagang? Berdine the bisexual mordsith? I don't see a full or complete story within the confines of those characters. It's trying to make a story out of the supporting characters... just my opinion...

Which is precisely why having imagination is so important.

Mr wrote: "Did anyone else read Debt of Bones? The story of Zedd as a young Wizard? I thought it was kinda cool to see him at the height of his power. I for one wouldn't mind seeing a book like that about Bar..."

I did & really liked it..its the "prequel" to the series isn't it? I read up to soul of fire and left off for awhile..but now that the series is finished..Im starting over ..have to avoid spoilers!

I too would like to know what happened with Richard and Kahlan's child.

*SERIES SPOILERS
Kahlan did lose a child in SotF. Maybe that would have been the male baby Shota has foreseen and the next child was a female, therefore able to live. Their line did continue, at least for a while, according to LO9.

Mr wrote: "also would the male confessor really be evil? I mean Richard is probable the most powerful War Wizard the world has seen in hundreds of years, and Kahlan is the Mother Confessor, surely they could ..."

a male confessor is not really evil, they just feared it might be evil because male confessor can't control the urge to use thier powers, the confessions and the gift in a responsible way... surely richard could put some good sence to his kid...

Joseph Kevin wrote: "Mr wrote: "also would the male confessor really be evil? I mean Richard is probable the most powerful War Wizard the world has seen in hundreds of years, and Kahlan is the Mother Confessor, surely ..."

Good point. Richard as War Wizard has broken all kinds of rules, made massive changes to reality. Who's to say that their child not be something entirely different? If we learned anything from the series it's that prophecies/visions are never what they seem and people have powers to change the outcome. Hopefully the new book, picking up right where Confessor left off, will start answering some of the questions.

Masha wrote: "I too would like to know what happened with Richard and Kahlan's child.

*SERIES SPOILERS
Kahlan did lose a child in SotF. Maybe that would have been the male baby Shota has foreseen..."

well, as far as i can recall.. it only said will have a male confessor. it never did state if it be the first or second or whatever...

Zedd and Nathans Excellent Adventure.

Perhaps with Cara along to keep them out of trouble :)

Andrew wrote: "Zedd and Nathans Excellent Adventure.

Perhaps with Cara along to keep them out of trouble :)"

That one would probably be too R-Rated. You know how Nathan is with women:)

I'd also actually love a life story of Sister Nicci.

That would be super interesting.

Or how Rachel turns out as a grown women, not necessariy her life with Chase. Maybe starting at like Chase's funeral or something (obviously, when he's died of old age LOL)

I havent read Debt of Bones yet, but I'm interested to know also how Zedd gets the Sword of Truth back from Shota.

Or even the story of the previous Seeker, the Last true seeker, to see what his story was like.

Or damn, it'd be awesome of he did a story where the seeker of truth was a woman instead.

The source of the Seeker's power is anger. A male would be better at that kind of thing IMO. I prefer the separation of powers between the sexes that TG has established.

I also want to see Sister Verna find true love.

Masha wrote: "The source of the Seeker's power is anger. A male would be better at that kind of thing IMO. I prefer the separation of powers between the sexes that TG has established."

Thats pretty sexist in my opinion.

There are some pretty angry women in SOT.

Any Mord-Sith, Nicci, Kahlan, Jennsen.

These women all have even further reason than Richard, to have the anger they do. Being directly from lands of Magic and having to live through the reign of Darken Rahl/Emporer Jagang.


I think Righteous Rage is what is really the power, which is a little more than just plain anger. Women can feel that the same as any man. No emotion is privvy to one sex.

I like that males and females feature different powers, but I dont think it ever said that Seeker of Truth even had to have any magic at all. Zedd certainly didnt know for sure Richard was gifted when he gave him the Sword. And I definately don't remember it stating anywhere that the Seeker had to be a guy.

If you accept that a male can't be a Confessor because of the way men are wired, you have to accept the possibility that a Seeker has to be a man.

Mord Sith have to be women because they have to start out being gentle and nurturing before they can be broken and trained in cruelty.

Sexist? Yeah, in a "men and women are different" kind of way. Not everyone's cup of tea. I happen to like it, that's all.

I, quite like Richard in the novels, do not accept the idea that a male cannot be a confessor. Why couldnt their be? That was something fundamentally wrong, in my opinion, with the culture of confessors.

Also, didnt Denna have a male mord sith train her and Constance? That they later worked together to murder? I admit, this could have been a misunderstanding on my part, but I thought Mord Sith were trained by other Mord Sith or The Lord Rahl?

Um, yeah I'd consider murdering Confessor babies as "something wrong" but if I remember correctly that came out of past experience with male Confessors who grew to adulthood, with terrible consequences. That's also why Shota swore to kill Richard's and Kahlan's baby because she foresaw it would be a male.

Again, don't remember 100% but I think males were used to train and break the Mord Sith, but they were not Mord Sith themselves. But they WERE trained with agiels, so... maybe someone with an actual copy of the book can check this one out? I suppose they could find a few gentle and nurturing boys out there, but I doubt there would be enough to train a Mord Sith army.

So the actions of people in the past should lead to the judgment of others as well?

What about free will?

I think its definitely a matter of opinion. Might be a fun thing to make a whole topic about.

Not a bad idea. I actually spent some time on an old Terry Goodkind forum and this was never brought up, but it is a good question. Back to what I'd like to see written, I said before I would be interested in seeing Richard and Kahlan have a male baby and how that would work out.

LOL!

Perfect.

Awesome!

Although it kind of stinks how he would leave The Omen Machine on a cliff hanger and not do a sequel right away.

Havent read Omen Machine yet, but do have it. (I'm on Confessor)

Great to know its a cliff hanger! I sort of hate that. I liked it better when Terry would give you a more complete novel, like in the original SOT series. (Up to Naked Empire)

But still, pretty stoked to read the story of Magda, which inevetibly will be the story of Barracus and that other wizard....cant remember the name right now.

Maybe we'll even see Kolo!


After Barracus died didnt Magda marry another wizard that could love her like Richard and Kahlan? I wasnt sure when I got that info in Phantom.

The Omen Machine doesn't have a REAL cliff hanger as in you not knowing who lives and who dies, but there are TONS of unanswered questions. It just felt like a cliff hanger to me.

Yes I'm pretty sure Magda was the only Confessor who could know true love until Richard and Kahlan, so I'm expecting a great story.

I was just trying to get more info on this, but its pretty sparse so far.

Release date is relatively soon though!

07/02/12

SICK!!! I'm looking forward to it, even if it doesnt continue Richard and Kahlan's story.


I planned on reading through Omen Machine then reading Debt of Bones and Law of Nines, but I'll probably slide this one in before LO9's

Do you think it will still make sense that way?

Yes, that would be fine.

I hope that the story is brought to a point in which Richard and Kahlan do have a male child and that the world continues through the child's experiences. I would also love a history of the old war, eventually, even if some of it is repetitive from the current series. However, I like the way TG reveals things about the old war at his own convenience as it relates to the story at hand so I wouldn't want him to change that mode.

I'd like to read that also John!

I also thought it might be interesting to read about the "dark times" when Male Confessors were a reigning force.

Would be a nice setting for a tragedy, where one of them isnt evil but has to die anyway because of the harsh stereotypes.

TG doesn't do tragedy. He's an Objectivist:)

That doesnt make sense.

So because he's an objectivist no tragedies ever occured in his world?

What about Ayn Rand's, Gail Wynand, that was a pretty tragic character.

Just seems completely unrealistic. Please expound!

Of course there are sad things happening in SoT as well as in Rand's books. But The Fountainhead is not a tragedy. Gail Wynand and Peter Keating could both be considered "tragic" characters, in the way that things ended up badly for them, OR you could say they made wrong choices and suffered the consequences. The setup you are suggesting is more of a classic tragedy, a person being a prisoner of his birth or circumstances, which is something an Objectivist would not accept.

Okay, that makes more sense.

I wasnt trying to be an ass or anything, I really just dont get a lot of objectivist stuff, its not a philosophy I follow a great deal. But I am interested to know how it would apply to real life.

You seem to know a bit about the subject :) so thank you.

I've always felt that objectivist philosophy only works in novels, where they have a "perfect world" to apply the process too. What would you say to that? Can you give me a real world example by any chance? I'm open to an opinion change on the subject.

Objectivism, as any philosophy, is imperfect, but there are parts of it that are very good and useful. It's basically all about doing what's good for YOU while not hurting or exploiting others:

In economics, it's classical capitalism (not the corrupt big-government version we have nowadays, where businessmen spend more energy on lawyers and lobbyists than on productive work).

In personal life, it's doing the best you can with what you're given, being true to yourself, pursuing your dreams and not compromising your principles.

In romantic terms, it's loving someone for their good qualities, partners trying to be worthy of each other. An Objectivist doesn't believe in "unconditional love"- you love someone for a reason.

For the most part, it's the old idea of "enlightened self interest," but instead of being limited to economic activity, it applies to the whole person.

My favorite part is the view of man as a heroic being, and of the universe as benign rather than hostile. That's a good worldview to have, considering how sucky everyday life can get. Notice how Richard throughout SoT passes though all kinds of different societies and makes people better just by being there? It's because he has that philosophy within him, and it's contagious.

I decided to break up the post in case my internet goes down. So to continue... Ayn Rand wrote in Romantic style, meaning larger than life characters and ideas. It's easy to dismiss some of the stuff as "unrealistic" but the principles still apply on a small scale. It's actually easier to explain this to a fantasy fan because fantasy at its best is about ideas. Magic and dragons are just there to make the ideas entertaining.

Okay, that sounded good.

I like that idea then! LOL

Thanks, its been hard for me to get my head around the whole idea. Since like you said, all philosophy has its imperfections.

I always have really liked Richard and his effect on the characters of his world, but have had a lot of trouble viewing it from reality, and this is a lot more concise. Makes more sense.

I think a great story would be one of Richard's mother since she has remained pretty much a mystery. (at least as far as I've read and have gathered from comments). Any one agree or disagree?

A story about Richards Mother would be quite interesting I imagine.

It's already been written and available for free on Kindle/Amazon
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