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Unfortunately, while there are many libertarian and socialist utopias out there, MacLeod's two novels are the only ones I've found that don't suck. You could try stuff like Looking Backward and the works of L. Neil Smith, but I wouldn't recommend it.

Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich by Solzhenitsyn.
Although the last is an integrated controlled no resposibility life it may not be what you are looking for. The first is absolutely about Utopia and the second depends on how you examine it. The third's title speaks for itself. All are older but good reading.

Lucifer's Hammer is a Utopian novel?

Lucifer's Hammer is a Utopian novel?"
A Boy and his Dog as well?


Oh, I definitely agree. Dystopia and chaos is so much more interesting, because conflict is what plot is made from!


The ones I remember reading are The Dispossessed: An Ambiguous Utopia, Herland, Woman on the Edge of Time, and Walden Two.
I really liked the Ursula Le Guin book as a sci-fi book in and of itself. But I took away from the course the idea that most utopian books are written more to encourage a specific ideology (feminism, socialism, etc.) rather than for fictional entertainment value. Walden Two was also very interesting in concept. No thrilling plot twists though.
Le Guin also wrote The Lathe of Heaven, about a man whose dreams change the world, trying to create a utopia. I don't know though if you can truly call this a utopian novel.

Oh, I definitely agree. Dystopia and chaos is so much more interesting, because confl..."
That just means a Utopia needs an outside threat to be interesting.
No, the real problem with Utopia is that it's subject to severe values dissonance. If you don't share an author's fundamental world-view about what makes an ideal society, his Utopia is going to be a crapsack world to you. Compare, for example, Plato's Republic to Brave New World. Both societies function along similar lines -- the Noble Lie is made concrete reality through bio-engineering, and orgy-porgy is an enactment of Plato's ideas on sexual communalism. And yet Plato thought his idea was awesome, while Huxley sees it as an awful society.
And that's assuming the Utopia has any connection to reality. Far too many Utopian authors create societies that could never function with real human beings. Any attempt to implement such systems would result in the largest pile of skulls since the Mongol Empire.
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Herland (other topics)Woman on the Edge of Time (other topics)
The Dispossessed: An Ambiguous Utopia (other topics)
Walden Two (other topics)
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James Alan Gardner (other topics)Iain Banks (other topics)
Ursula K. Le Guin (other topics)
L. Neil Smith (other topics)