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Aug 10, 2010 12:42PM

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Thank you, Mina. This looks promising. And of course, it's endorsed by jo! :-)


I will whet everyone's appetite this morning by saying that my first discussion question (point to ponder may be more accurate) will have to do with this very question. But, I have a beastly day ahead of me at work, and I won't be able to get down into this until this afternoon. To hold you over, here is some biographical info about the author, taken from her website,
Nnedi Okorafor was born in the United States to two Igbo (Nigerian) immigrant parents. She holds a PhD in English and is a professor at Chicago State University. She resides in the suburbs of Chicago with her daughter Anyaugo.
Though American-born, Nnedi's muse is Nigeria. Her parents began taking her and her siblings to visit relatives there when she was very young. Because Nigeria is her muse, this is where many of her stories take place, either literally or figuratively.
Because she grew up wanting to be an entomologist and even after becoming a writer maintained that love of insects and nature, her work is always filled with startlingly vivid flora and fauna.
And because Octavia Butler, Stephen King, Philip Pullman, Tove Jansson, Hayao Miyazaki, and Ngugi wa Thiong'o are her greatest influences, her work tends to be...on the creative side.
Her first novel, Zahrah the Windseeker (published in 2005 by Houghton Mifflin and an illustrated version was published in Nigeria in 2008 by Kachifo Ltd.), takes place in a highly technological world based on Nigerian myths and culture.
Zahrah the Windseeker was the winner of the Wole Soyinka Prize for Literature, shortlisted for the Parallax Award and Kindred Award, a finalist for the Golden Duck and Garden State Teen Choice awards and nominated for a Locus Award (Best First Novel).
Her second novel, The Shadow Speaker (Hyperion Books, 2007) has characters from and takes place in the countries of Niger and Nigeria. The Shadow Speaker is the winner of the CBS Parallax Award. It was a Booksense Pick for Winter 2007/08 and a finalist for the Essence Magazine Literary Award and the Andre Norton Award. It is also an NAACP Image Award nominee, a Tiptree Honor Book and a Locus Magazine Recommended Book.
Also, a link to an article about Nnedi and this novel in particular:

A test for dystopic fiction that I like to deploy is to ask how easily can I believe that our society would devolve into the one presented. Most of the time, I end up coming away thinking that the authors have done a good job of warning the reader about current social ills, but that the very nature of humanity is good enough that I don't believe entire societies would realistically turn into whatever dystopia is portrayed.
I also like to try and spot current technologies and events that appear as history/legend/archaeological scrap in these future worlds.
To the first point, Okorafor doesn't stretch too far from what humanity has already known in terms of slavery, apartheid, and prejudice that I was so convinced this was an impossible future. I hope we would resist, but could I be sure? No. So, she wins on that. But, having read her biography, and because of Onyesonwu's name, I assumed that the novel was set in Nigeria, or at least geographically close to there. I was imagining an apocalyptic environmental event that essentially resulted in the Sahara extending far to the west of it's current boundaries.
But then came that closing line. Well, the quasi-closing line, before the re-writing, a point which I want to return to.
"It was the most we could do for the woman who saved the people of the Seven Rivers Kingdom, this place that used to be part of the Kingdom of Sudan."
This sentence, hit me like a sucker punch to the gut, and where I had been somewhat detached and analyzing throughout the entire thing, I immediately began to cry. Because, unfortunately, it became clear that Okorafor IS basing this on real people in Africa. Maybe not in all literal ways, but this novel went from a flight of fancy to a powerful indictment against the current genocide and strife that region is experiencing, and a huge shame on us for not doing more to speak out against it. Reading that she was inspired by an article about targeted rape in the Sudan, entitled "We want to make a light baby," only added to the emotional depth of the novel.
Hope I was able to express that coherently.
What I'd love to hear from others is: excepting the magical elements, how realistic did this future seem to you? Were you able to buy into this concept, that this could be us in many thousand years? What does this novel have to say about the durability of the best and worst of our cultures? Acknowledging that different cultures the world over have different norms, morals, and mores, do you think that there are any characteristics so fundamental to humanity that they will always be present, no matter how drastic the changes to environment or technology? Are these "good" or "bad" characteristics? Do you think Okorafor was aiming to touch on these types of musings with this novel? Was she effective? How did you react overall? And did you like it?

to answer rashida, i don't think this is how we are going to be in thousands of years. i think this is how we are now. the futuristic element seems almost marginal to me.
the questions you present about culture and durability and values are difficult one to tackle this late at night so i'll leave them for another day, but are excellent one. this book is very much about culture -- african culture, human culture.
in fact, i hadn't thought about the book in the terms you present, rashida, and i'm happy you are making me do so.
it seems to me okorafor is one of those rare writers who write as if in a trance. it's like they get given the story from up high and what they have to do is to put it down on paper. her labor here doesn't seem that different from onyesonwu's. writing this book must have been terribly, terribly hard. there is a sense of mission, purpose, testimony to this book that felt very palpable to me. okorafor is not a pretty writer. like octavia butler, whom she mentions as one of her main influences, she strikes me as a writer who doesn't take anything into account except her own vision. this doesn't seem to me a novel that aims to please, or be enjoyed, or be valued for its aesthetic merit. this seems to me a novel written with the tremendous urgency of a story that demands to be told, and in the face of which the writer is pretty much helpless.
so yeah, i think she was effective. and yeah, i loved it.

Was this a turn off for anyone? Honestly, I struggled with it. Love the thought and ideas that went into this novel, but technically... yeesh. It read like a first novel in a lot of ways, even though it wasn't. But she is making the transition from writing young adult to adult, so maybe there were a bit of growing pains. Because there was a lot that seemed YA in tone (though not subject matter) to me. But while I found some of the dialog and exposition wooden, the book jacket has praise for your her short, punchy sentences. So, I'm also more than aware that it can be a matter of personal opinion.
What did others think?


It's very disappointing, isn't it, when you find a great premise, good plot, really original ideas, but then the writer doesn't have the skill/artistry to do them justice.
I hear warning bells...

i myself said that okorafor is not a "pretty" writer, but i do not believe for a second she is a bad writer. i think, in fact, that she is an exceptional writer!
good writing is not just beautiful sentences. it's also story construction, individuating key issues and developing them properly, communicating ideas and feelings powerfully to the reader, and, most of all, having something mind-blowing to say. can anyone doubt that Who Fears Death possesses these qualities?

i myself said that okorafor is not a "pretty" writer, bu..."
I couldn't disagree more, jo. I as a reader trust that the writer will be able to convey her big ideas in an agreeable and satisfying manner. I should not as a reader have to suffer through clunky dialogue and amaturish exposition. I'm not going to pronounce Okafor a good or bad writer, the book buying and reading public will do that. My point is that great themes and ideas are diminished by inartful storytelling. To wit: Onye herself tells her age as 20, then 19, then 20 again in the spaces of a few pages without the benefit of time travel, (something a good book editor should have picked up easily). On page 131 Onye says that her mother for the first time in her life spoke above a whisper. WHAT! I thought that sometimes my mother could be annoying but can you imagine a mother that for 20 years never spoke above a whisper!!! I imagined it and came to the conclusion that such a statement or the mother was surely ridiculous. Then towards the end of the book when Onye is with the red people everyone who touches her recieves a debillitating near death experience...One of the other characters actually takes the words right out of my mouth (mind) and asks her whats going on..why is she causing these problems. Onye considers it but then NEVER ANSWERS HER QUESTION! She just goes on shocking and maiming people for no apparent reason..it doesn't advance the plot..the people are supposed to be her friends...
I am reminded of the far superior book, "Tears of the Desert" by Halima Bashir. All of the themes of culture, religious, and ethnic warfare and genocide, female genital mutilation, historical male/paternal chauvanism and domination are explored in present day Sudan and Darfur(Durfa?). And Bashir is a doctor by trade not a writer. Her book lets me know that it is possible to talk/write about a profoundly challenging story and still be a graceful writer.


i myself said that okorafor is not a "prett..."
Well said, William. I understand.

i myself said that okorafor is not a "prett..."
some of the things you point out, bill, are poor copy-editing. this in an increasingly serious problem in the publishing industry. i noticed them too. there are some sequences (unlike you, i can't remember them) when the copy-editing is just atrocious.

So many works of speculative fiction seem to center around gender roles in the future, who they change, same the same, the impact on society and vice versa. It seems that Okorafor thinks that, at least in this part of the world, society is fixed on their gender roles, and even after unknown apocalyptic events, they will remain. It's not just the fact that these girls experience the ritual that they've been performing so long nobody can remember why they do it anymore. It's also reflected in Onyesonwu's constant chafing against Mwita's efforts to fit their relationship into rigid roles.
do you think that Okorafor has risked sales of her book by including such controversial subjects? Or do you think that ultimately it will help push her book?

I definitely think that the raw subject matter will draw those with hearty stomachs to the book...






William, it seems we're using different words to say pretty much the same thing.

Thanks for that, Mina. I second the praise for NK Jemisin. That was an impressive first novel. And I'm chuffed that Karen Lord has Caribbean roots! Remember when Octavia Butler was the only sister on the SF/F team?

Another book that was published this year - A Wish After Midnight by Zetta Elliott is a YA novel with a Kindred like theme.
There is another SF writer - Nisi Shawl whose short stories collection - Filter House who one of the SF awards a year or two ago.
I agree that NK Jemisin is a good writer and her writing is more graceful to me than Nnedi Okorafor.
If in the NYC area - Jemisin & Lord are scheduled to be on a panel at the Brooklyn Book Festival today.

A test for dystopi..."
A lot of questions. But to the line in the book that actually references Sudan - that also got me a little off guard and it named a specific place as opposed to speaking in general about societies on how they destroy & rebuild themselves in almost the same images as before.
I did think that Okorafor was placing the story more in the eastern part of Africa by the description of the geography and the genocide which is happening there.
I think of of the fundamental themes touched upon in this book - is the need for people to organize themselves to belong to a "group" and for a "group" to want to dominate another "group", as a way for the dominate group to validate themselves and to wager war. I think the history of civilization keeps proving the point that war is the more natural state than peace. We, as people, seem to struggle much harder to maintain peace, and then it does not last much longer.
Another theme that I saw in this book - is the use of rape and the sexual nature of women as a control weapon. Are women the basis of our humanity and by controlling women do you control society?

Was this a turn off for anyone? Honestly, I struggled with it. Love the thought ..."
Rashida - I will have to agree with you. I thought this book especially the first part was very YA in nature. I struggled through the first part but thought the novel read much better starting with Part 2 and was really meeting its strive in the last third of the book.
As the character matured I thought the writing matured and some of those growing pains transitioning to an adult novel disappeared.
The violence did not turn me off. I thought it was essential to the telling of the story to have the reader realize the evil in this world and how casually people do it and accept it.
To be accepted by a group - an individual can be willing to accept cruel cultural practices. Showing Onyesonwu volunteering to the female circumcision to be accepted (or at least not giving them another reason for her to be unacceptable.
I thought the writing of that scene was an indication on how Okofaror wanted us to see the violence/evil acts in this book. There was not much emotion written into this scene - it was done and of course the young girls did not know the true consequences but it what was expected to them.

So true - almost all societies have some ritual for the passing from childhood to being accepted as an adult by society.
The outcome of this practice is that a woman would not want to participate in sexual activities. Thus a control move by society.

I thought that she chose circumcision not for herself but to avoid increasing the shame she felt that she brought to her parents:
I had brought dishonor to my mother by existing. I brought scandal to Papa by entering his life. Where before he had been a respected and eligible widower, now people laughingly said he was bewitched by an Okeke woman from the bloody West, a woman who'd been used by a Nuru man. My parents carried enough shame. - p. 33
Of course she also hoped that the ritual would help her to become more "normal" - to stop the strange events that had begun to occur. But what did you all think about her UNcircumcision? And all of the difficulties that resulted in her friend group?
The cultural mixing was a bit unsettling - she had elements flying in from everywhere - but, hey, it's speculative fiction. Rashida mentioned that this book read like a first novel, and it really is her first for adults. I have read quite a bit of SF/fantasy literature in my life, and it does tend to be story driven, as this book certainly is. But if someone tells me a good story, I'm a pretty happy woman.

Myne, curious what some of those topics are and what the responses are that you've gotten from the conversations, if you don't mind sharing.
Wilhelmina wrote: "Of course she also hoped that the ritual would help her to become more "normal" - to stop the strange events that had begun to occur. But what did you all think about her UNcircumcision? And all of the difficulties that resulted in her friend group?..."
You know FGM or circumcision is an issue that I've never quite been able to wrap my mind around. Tolerance of diversity v. abhorrence of sexual violence has always twisted me into loops over what the reaction should be for an outsider from the culture. Slippery slopes, moral relativism, it all comes together and immobilizes me from being able to formulate a coherent opinion on the matter.
I thought that Okorafor's decision to have her protagonist choose the ritual, and not be "forced" (or was she?) into it showed an ambiguity and gray area that isn't usually presented in a black and white debate. I couldn't guess easily at what direction the author wanted me to take, and it again got the brain firing and thinking. I like that. Raise complex issues and let me figure it out, don't tell me what to think.
However, I thought that with the advancement of the plot- the ultimate revelation of the bad juju put on the ritual, the extreme pain and regret it caused, and the ultimate fix being to reverse the procedure- Okorafor did move into that "tell me how you really feel" territory and she lost some of the subtlety. Which is fine, her novel, and she's free to espouse as many of her ideas and opinions as she wants. But it did seem a shift.
Storywise, I think readers enjoy a brisk romance more than a tragic thwarted love, eh? And we had to get to the conception of the child at some point, so I guess the uncircumcision was absolutely necessary.
But back to jo's point about unlikeable characters. Geez, that Diti was a piece of work, huh? With friends like these... But, the other friend, who stuck there to the end, was priceless, I thought, and ultimately one of the most likable characters. I cannot remember her name. Book not with me. Someone help me out.
What do others think?


But, I also related the characters going off with Onye - like most groups that go off into a struggle. Each individual joins/follows a "leader" into a stuggle for different reasons. And like in most groups - an individual finds out this is not for them and leave and some others may come more zealous in the pursuit of the ultimate goal. This was very realistic. But, in some ways Luyu and Diti were both doomed - it is the path that each chose that would determine their own fate. Everybody may believe in the same ultimate goal but the path to get there may be different from all.

But I do agree with you Rashida in that although the author spends a great deal of time in book talking about FGM she neither indicts nor defends the practice. I'm left feeling muddled about just what was the point being made.

In terms of anatomy, I wouldn't expect mutilation to decrease the sex drive. It would impede orgasm, but nothing else, except indirectly (eg via shame, distress). Of course, these practices have no basis in science. :-)



There are other views, William. Further to Rashida's point, the memoirs by women who have 'survived' mutilation usually describe some degree of distress. (I'm thinking of that Somali/Dutch activist/academic... What's her name?) Of course, these are usually 'Westernised' women, aren't they?


This puts me in mind of so-called honour killings which take place here from time to time. There's always an outcry, and a sense that certain attitudes/practices are engrained in some traditional communities, and that those of us on the outside don't understand them, nor how commonly they are accepted in that community.
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