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I think you are correct at 1993 - fixed it!

Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "I think you are correct at 1993 - fixed it!"

Thank you

Hi,
I was wondering if the page number listed for a book could be corrected. I am currently reading .
I have the book with the ISBN 978-0-670-06637-7. (The Canadian hardcover edition). GoodReads states that this edition has 288 pages when it actually has 350. Can this record somehow be updated to reflect the correct pagination? Thanks so much!!

Got it! Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "Got it! Thanks for bringing it to our attention."

Thank you so much!

Hi,

I wanted to use The Space Merchants for my 1952 entry in "That's So 20th C", but apparently it was published i magazine form in 1952, but not published in book form until 1953. Would it still count as published in 1952?

Thank you so much!

Louise wrote: "Hi,

I wanted to use The Space Merchants for my 1952 entry in "That's So 20th C", but apparently it was published i magazine form in 1952, but not published in book form until 1953. Would it still ..."

Yes. The first published date for that book is 1952.

Thanks! I'm lazy enough, not to want to start reading the book, until I'm sure it's eligible...

Louise wrote: "Thanks! I'm lazy enough, not to want to start reading the book, until I'm sure it's eligible..."

I don't blame you - it's very discouraging to finish a book for a challenge only to discover it doesn't count.

I am considering reading The Lifted Veil by George Eliot for Square Peg.

The book was listed at 128 pages on Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ when I originally got interested in it. When I went to BPL to make sure it wasn't YA, I saw that they (and Worldcat) have it at 75 pages. I have Librarian status, so I changed it to 75 pages on Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ. But then I checked the publisher's website, (should have done that before I started changing things), and they do say it has 128 pages, so I changed it back to 128.

My question is whether the publisher's information at will be honored instead of BPL or Worldcat, as obviously the book won't count at 75 pages.

Thanks, it looks like an interesting book.

D, we always use the page count listed at GR. That said, when an edition has a discrepancy, it's probably best to consult the physical copy. My own library does not have this ISBN, so perhaps someone else can check it and confirm.

Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "D, we always use the page count listed at GR. That said, when an edition has a discrepancy, it's probably best to consult the physical copy. My own library does not have this ISBN, so perhaps someo..."

There are no libraries near me that have it either. Maybe someone else has access to a copy.

D wrote: "Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "D, we always use the page count listed at GR. That said, when an edition has a discrepancy, it's probably best to consult the physical copy. My own library does not have ..."

I checked my library, but no luck.

Libraries generally enter data based on the physical copy they hold. Publishers/Amazon tend to list books based on the minimum number of pages required in the traditional printing process:

For most book printers, the page count must be divisible by 4 to work. Some require the page count to divide evenly by 8. This is due to the smallest signature they can print. A signature is a large sheet of paper (usually 23" x 35" or 25" x 38") with either 8 or 16 pages grouped on each side, creating either a 16 page or 32 page "signature." This sheet is folded down so that the pages are in order.

You save the most money if you can deliver a final page count (including front matter and blanks) that is evenly divisible by 16 or 32. If you cannot do that, the page count has to reflect the largest partial signature the printer can print.

Karen GHHS wrote: "I checked my library, but no luck. "

Thanks for checking, Karen. I doubt there are many copies of this title floating around!

I can tell you that the Juneau Public Library has a copy as does the University of Washington. If you put your zip code into the WorldCat link, you can find a library near you. Perhaps a kind librarian would be good enough to look.

Liz M wrote: "Libraries generally enter data based on the physical copy they hold. Publishers/Amazon tend to list books based on the minimum number of pages required in the traditional printing process:
For m..."

Liz, that is an interesting bit of information that I didn't know. And 128 is a multiple of 32, so maybe that's the explanation in this case. Unless someone locates a physical copy, I will just read the book, hopefully enjoy it, and find something else for Square Peg.

Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "I can tell you that the Juneau Public Library has a copy as does the University of Washington. If you put your zip code into the WorldCat link, you can find a library near you. Perhaps a kind libra..."

I might try that. Also, there is an email contact address for the publisher that I could use. But I'm thinking it is too much fuss, and I'll just find another Square Peg. But I'm still going to read it because it sounds interesting.

I have a physical copy of two books from the same publishing house.
The Devil in the Flesh: goodreads - 128* pgs, worldcat - 151 pgs, my copy - 151 pgs
Michael Kohlhaas: goodreads - 124 pgs, worldcat - 133 pgs, my copy - 133 pgs.

*well, it was 128 pages before I edited it.

Liz M wrote: "I have a physical copy of two books from the same publishing house.
The Devil in the Flesh: goodreads - 128* pgs, worldcat - 151 pgs, my copy - 151 pgs
Michael Kohlhaas: goodreads - 124 pgs, world..."

So it's very likely that worldcat and BPL are correct about the page count on The Lifted Veil, and that Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ was incorrect until Elizabeth just fixed it. Thanks for your help, everyone.

Don (The Book Guy) wrote: "I would like the publication date checked on this. I find 1992 in most places but 1991 in a few and even a 1987 on another site. Thanks.

The Weekend Was Murder"

I have corrected the GR entry to 1992. That is the date on the copyright page and the date given for the first edition hardback.

Hans Fallada's Short Treatise on the Joys of Morphinism (ISBN: 978-0-141-19580-3) has 69 pages.
Could someone please add this information to this book's entry?

Guy wrote: "Hans Fallada's Short Treatise on the Joys of Morphinism (ISBN: 978-0-141-19580-3) has 69 pages.
Could someone please add this information to this book's entry?"

Done! (and thanks for bringing it to our attention)

I just started reading The Woman Upstairs by Claire Messud (which I'm thoroughly enjoying so far, about 20% in.) I noticed on her Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ page that it says she was born in Toulon, France. But Wikipedia says Greenwich, Connecticut. It doesn't matter for the challenge we are currently on, but it might in the future. I'm not sure what the procedure is for verifying and possibly changing a birthplace entry.

D wrote: "I just started reading The Woman Upstairs by Claire Messud (which I'm thoroughly enjoying so far, about 20% in.) I noticed on her Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ page that it says she was born in Toulon, France. But Wi..."

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I have edited the author profile.

Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I have edited the author profile."

Thanks, Elizabeth.

For the sub challenge, I had planned to read From the Holy Mountain: A Journey among the Christians of the Middle East by William Dalrymple for my book published in 1998 based on what Gooreads said. However when I opened the actual book, it said it was published in the UK in 1997. I don't know if that is something a librarian would want to change.

Thanks, Rebekah. It's fixed!

I'm reading a privately published book that can't be found on Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ even through the ISBN. Can it be added? the book is Bury My Children in a Foreign Land by C. W. Cissna. The ISBN is 9781469920078. Thanks!

Rebekah wrote: "I'm reading a privately published book that can't be found on Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ even through the ISBN. Can it be added? the book is Bury My Children in a Foreign Land by C. W. Cissna. The ISBN is 978146992..."

Yes, we can certainly add books. Do you have a link for a decent description?

Ok.Cissna's books are on Amazon. When I get home I'll post the link. I'm not at home right now and can't figure out how to cut and paste on my iPad .

The book has been added - it may take a few minutes for it to be searchable.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17...

I used the blurb on the back cover for the description.

ok thanks. He has more books I plan to read in the series.

Elizabeth, I just tried to post this books in Completed Tasks but Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ still didn't have it.

Search has been difficult at best today. Try entering the ISBN and see if that works.

For 10.6 James Tait Black Mem Prize, the book Highland River by Neil M. Gunn is listed by Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ as first published in 1997 although he won the prize in 1937.

Thanks, Rebekah! Got it fixed!

I have some more books by C.W. Cissna that I'd like added to the database, please.
Forgotten Courage - ISBN 9781466228450
Let Me Live in Peace! - ISBN 9781477582954
The Reluctant American - ISBN 9781463678357
Our 15 Minutes - ISBN 9781470037529

The first three along with the book Bury My Children in a Strange Land that I read for last challenge is a "four Bagger" about three generations of the Cessna/Cissna family. Can I count them for 10.8 and 20.7? Or do they have to be books on the lists?
Thank You

Rebekah wrote: "I have some more books by C.W. Cissna that I'd like added to the database, please.
Forgotten Courage - ISBN 9781466228450
Let Me Live in Peace! - ISBN 9781477582954
The Reluctant American - ISBN 97..."

For 10.8, the book must be on the linked list. If you know there will be no others in the Cissna group, then, yes, it will count for 20.7. I don't think I can get to these today - I've used up today's available brain cells for that type of work - but if I don't post back here tomorrow, nag me.

Forgotten Courage - already in the database

Let Me Live In Peace: The Life of Col. Charles Cessna, The Reluctant American: A Dramatic History of the Cessna/Cissna Family, Our 15 Minutes: One Family Finds Its 15 Minutes of Fame- added. Let me know if any of the info is incorrect.

Thanks, Elizabeth. I'm often amazed at how quickly you answer questions and have wondered if you ever get a chance to sleep!

Rebekah wrote: "Thanks, Elizabeth. I'm often amazed at how quickly you answer questions and have wondered if you ever get a chance to sleep!"

Sleep is sometimes an issue, but since I live farther west than most of you, you don't see that I disappear very early in (my) evening.

The mods haven't put a question topic for 10.6 -- the Jack Tait Award and this is kind of a librarian question. The list shows the 2010 prize for biography as Hilary Spurling for Burying the Bones: Pearl Buck in China. I can only find Pearl Buck in China: Journey to The Good Earth. Is this the same book?

itpdx wrote: "The mods haven't put a question topic for 10.6 -- the Jack Tait Award and this is kind of a librarian question. The list shows the 2010 prize for biography as Hilary Spurling for Burying the Bones..."

Yes, it is. I see on the editions page that these titles have been combined. And thanks! I'll make sure it appears both ways in the list the db uses.

Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ should give you an award for correcting so much of their database! (smile)

Rebekah wrote: "Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ should give you an award for correcting so much of their database! (smile)"

I do very little compared with many. But I was referring to the RwS scorekeeping database.

Rebekah wrote: "I have some more books by C.W. Cissna that I'd like added to the database, please.
Forgotten Courage - ISBN 9781466228450
Let Me Live in Peace! - ISBN 9781477582954
The Reluctant American - ISBN 97..."

Rebekah, please be sure that these books on the Cissna family are a complete story in 4 books, the very definition of a tetralogy. As you have included 4 titles here, in addition to the one you read for Spring, that looks like 5 books, so don't fit 20.7.

The book Our 15 Minutes: One Family Finds Its 15 Minutes of Fame is totally separate. It is a series of articles from various media that includes anyone with the Cessna/Cissna/Sissna name. It is more for genealogical research. Obits,marriages, birth, court proceedings, etc...
The other four are about how the patriarch fled France , Jean deCesne, because of being Protestant his settling in Ulster Ireland and then finally convinced he and his two remaining sons should go to the New World. He dies during the voyage and the book goes on with the sons lives, pioneering in Pennsylvania, Indian Wars, thei families etc..
The next three books are about individual descendants as they make lives for themselves in three separate westward paths, that explain where the families grew from. Each book follows one of these three descendants, Stephen, Charles, or
John.

Do you know that those 4 complete the series, or is it possible they will be added to?

I'm pretty sure that's it. Just the founding fathers, then the generations start branching out and it gets pretty complex. Plus this was from his genealogical research that he did for the Cessna/Cissna family. I might could find his e-mail and ask. I'm so interested because my married name is Cessna and it is about the forebears of my husband and children that first came to America. Lots of us have been working on getting facts about that time period for inclusion on the Patriot's Index of the DAR.