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House of Leaves by Mark Z. Danielewski
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Read 2 times. Last read May 16, 2017 to May 18, 2017.

...Then no matter where you are, in a crowded restaurant or on some desolate street or even in the comforts of your own home, you'll watch yourself dismantle every assurance you ever lived by. You'll stand aside as a great complexity intrudes, tearing apart, piece by piece, all of your carefully conceived denials, whether deliberate or unconscious. And then for better or worse you'll turn, unable to resist, though try to resist you still will, fighting with everything you've got not to face the thing you most dread, what is now, what will be, what has always come before, the creature you truly are, the creature we all are, buried in the nameless black of a name.
And then the nightmares will begin.

--Johnny Truant
October 31, 1998
Hollywood, CA



I heard of this book through the Horror Aficionados forum. It sounded intriguing because most people in the forum cannot finish this book and thought it was odd. When I first ventured into the book, I thought it was about a haunted house. When I finished the book, I discovered that it was entirely about something else. To me, it is about the journey through the labyrinth of our psyche, and encountering and befriending our Jungian shadow to come through to the other side. Befriending our shadow involves forgiveness and love.

The beautiful maze of a book follows two major paths, that of the tattoo artist Johnny Truant and The Navidson Report. The Navidson Report is a documentary film detailed in a manuscript by Zampano, a deceased blind man. Johnny Truant procured the manuscript when his friend Lude called him to view Zampano’s apartment, “nailed shut and sealed with caulking...to retain the various emanations of his things and himself.� The academic manuscript contained notes about a film called The Navidson Report. The Navidson Report is a documentary done by a prize winning filmmaker, Will Navidson, of the strange events within the House on Ash Tree Lane. Navidson originally intended it to be captured cherished moments of his family’s life in the countryside. It became disorienting moments of horrifying explorations in mysterious hallways that appear and disappear, changing position and dimension.

Johnny became obsessed with the manuscript and writes his own notes and addendum in an impressionistic style, journaling his downward spiral into insanity, with a formless Minotaur monster pursuing him. Zampano’s manuscript reveals his own obsession and death perhaps at the hand of the formless monster emanating from the foreboding house. Since the book itself is actually Zampano’s manuscript modified by Johnny, and footnoted by the editors, we are then led to a confusing labyrinth of narrations, weaving from Johnny’s to Zampano’s with editors� footnotes.

Since this book is a conundrum, I’ll break it down to important references in the book.

The House on Ash Tree Lane:

The inhabitants of the house, Will Navidson and his partner Karen Green moved into the house on Ash Tree Lane in a Virginia countryside in order to repair their crumbling relationship strained by his frequent travels for his work as a film documentarist, and her infidelities. Although not married, Karen and Will are devoted to each other. Waiting for Will to come home, Karen has a frequent look of longing with every passing car. Will lovingly records details of Karen's hair on an old hairbrush. The move to the countryside was also due to Will feeling burned out from his job of documenting war. Will is haunted by "Delial", a film capture that made his career but caused a deep conflict between his journalist's impartial documentarian code and the reality of being a participating human being. Each also has personal childhood demons. Will was traumatized by abandonment and instability, making visual documentation a stable passion he can rely on. Karen has disabling claustrophobia possibly from being molested by her stepfather and confined to a well.

According to Zampano, Will only mounted Hi-8s inside the house. Thus, any events outside of the house is recounted personally. The House on Ash Tree Lane was introduced via the written documentation about the “Five and a Half Minute Hallway� within the Navidson Record film.

The family came back from a wedding after 4 days to discover that the house has been spatially violated. The inner space of the house has changed significantly. They immediately called on friends and expeditionists to help investigate the oddity of the measured inner space being bigger than the outer space of the house. The dark, ashen-gray hallway that moves and expands, magnifies what was buried in the inhabitant's psyche. Karen lost her sex drive after encountering the claustrophobic hallway and Will became driven to explore and document.

Each member who came in contact with the hallway became more of who they deeply are. The house, oddly, became the echo/reflection of the labyrinth of their individual minds, with the offshoots of empty rooms resembling the hidden dimensions.

Synchronously, Johnny began to imagine his own hallway of a nameless monster, as he slowly loses his mind, gets deeper into drugs, and has mindless sexcapades.

Space:

Space is handled in varying and unconventional ways. Space is labyrinthine and three-dimensional in perception, actively involving the reader in its maze. There is more to spacing than the obvious theme of the odd spacing of the house in which its inside space is larger than the outside space, and the emanations of the empty hallways.

Space is via varying personal perspectives, from our real world to the innermost world of the book. The space of the perspectives is of a space enclosing a space, enclosing a space, like a Russian nesting doll. We are forced to mentally shift from the content of the book to the real life facts about the book, in and out of the nesting doll. The two worlds sometime interchange. The book was reputed to be circulated in pieces on the internet, with the first edition incomplete. Since pieces of the book became popular, this forced MZD to finish the book. The actual book, as we know it, is the 2nd edition. This history of the book moves into the story with Johnny observing that his story was circulated around via the internet and gained legendary status. In The Navidson Report, Will was forced to burn pages of the House of Leaves book in order to see in the hallway. MZD's sister Poe, came out with the album Haunted, which reflects the content of the book. Vice versa, the lyrics in her album and mention of her were in the book.

Space is reflected in the agoraphobia and claustrophobia of the characters. Will’s need to be free to pursue his interest, Karen’s claustrophobia, and the push/pull in their relationship. Karen is dependent on Will, yet does not want to marry. Will loves his family, yet cannot stop leaving for his job. Pelafina loves Johnny in a way that strangles him, literally and metaphorically.

Space is graphically represented in the book as almost every page is broken up between Zampano’s manuscript, Johnny’s journaling and notes, and the anonymous editors� notes. In some passages, the words are confined in boxes, columns, upside down, mirror reflections, or alone on the page. The more disorienting the events within the Navidson report, the more disorienting the arrangements of words. The repeated use of [ ] in Holloway's story repeats the claustrophobia of the hallway, with the empty space varying between the brackets.

Space echoes.

Echo:

Emptiness creates the “eeriness� and “otherworldliness� of the echo. The echo is a degraded repetition. As they are exploring the rooms behind the door that appeared out of nowhere, they are confronted by a repetition of rooms with no window or details of a regular room. They are only empty rooms echoing and off shooting from each other.

An echo is also a reflection. Bats use acoustic light to “see.� The bat creates a frequency from the larynx. The echo reflected back to the bat is read via the bat’s auditory cortex, which enables it to “see.� The house is the empty vessel that reflects and echoes the inhabitant’s thoughts and feelings.

We are never really directly exposed to the house. Zampano and Johnny were never directly exposed to the house. We and they are only exposed to the house via the echoes, echoes from the legend of the film that never existed and interviews regarding the house, some of which does not exist. Yet this house was capable of inducing terror. It caused Zampano’s obsession and demise. It caused Johnny’s mental dissolution.

Echoes are reflections that affects the perspectives of the mind.

Perspectives:

Within the book itself, there is the Editors' perspectives, encompassing Johnny's perspective, encompassing Zampano's perspective, encompassing Navidson's perspective, encompassing the house and its inhabitants.

In total, counting us, the people, who had encountered or heard tales of the real "leaves" circulating via the internet and Poe's music, more than just within the book, it would be - us, MZD, Editors, Johnny, Zampano, Navidson, House and its inhabitants. This is a total of 7 perspectives.

Not only is it merely perspectives, but how the perspectives move within the physical and psychological space. Physically, the contents of the book move as leaves via the internet, to the book we're holding, and finally in Navidson's hands as he burned the House of Leaves book to be able to read. Psychologically, the point of view is constantly shifting and sometimes merging. There's the "us" perspective as we're reading the book, listening to Poe's music, as I did, and knowing about the legend within the internet, our movement within the book is dependent on our history, with the reaction from frustration to obsession with the book. There's the movement, frequently, from the Editors and Johnny all the way to the House and its inhabitants. The shift in perspective is so frequent that disorientation results, following the path of Johnny's own mental state, and finally, to his insane mother. We, the readers, are forced to participate in the disorientation and instability of the mental state. Thus, the physical and psychological space is unrelentingly circular and cyclical, instead of being within the comfortable confines of a linear narrative.

The labyrinthine and disorienting structure of the book affects us directly, imitating Navidson’s film style, cinema vérité. In that style, everything that distracts from the directness of the subject is removed, making it as real as possible. We are not told of the confusion, but are confused by the arrangement of the book, its chaotic content reflecting the events within the book.

Labyrinth:

Not only is the book itself laid out like a labyrinth, but references to the labyrinth and mazes are peppered throughout the book.

The Navidson Record is described as “meandering from one celluloid cell to the next�, as if not knowing what is behind the next corner. As we turn the corner, we see a different path, similar to walking in a maze, never sure what will come next. No one can comprehend “the entire maze and so therefore can never offer a definitive answer. Navidson’s house seems a perfect example. Due to the wall-shifts and extraordinary size, any way out remains singular and applicable only to those on that path at that particular time. All solutions then are necessarily personal.� Such is the individual path of each of the characters as we follow them on their personal journey that they must traverse and solve alone. Navidson, the impartial journalist, reacts to the labyrinth in a calm and curious manner. His filming of the house shows his sense of aesthetic and steadfastness even through the fearful events. The film records made by other members of the inhabitants are skewed by the events and are not as precise in its accounting. Each reader, also, came out with varying reactions and interpretations to the House of Leaves.

The mysterious hallway itself is a labyrinth that constantly shifts and change, with more empty hallways appearing out of nowhere. Some things in the hallway exists for all, such as the “Infinite Corridor, the Anteroom, the Great Hall, and the Spiral Staircase, but the size and layout changes for the individual, along with other patterning of the rooms.

Mythology:

The blind Zampano is like Homer, the blind Greek poet famous for recounting tales of the trials and tribulations of heroes. Zampano’s notes on the Minotaur were crossed out by him as if crossing out any references to the mythological creature would erase the unseen beast terrorizing him. The references to the labyrinth and the Minotaur in the book came from the Greek mythology of Theseus, the king of Athens, and the Minotaur, a human/bull offspring confined to the labyrinth due to its need to eat man for sustenance. In Zampano’s notes, there was a reference to a book on torture, particularly in regard to the brazen bull. The brazen bull is a hollow brass bull made to roast a man inside its cavity. It had placements of tubes and stops that amplifies the victim’s screams to sound like the bellowing of a bull.

The Minotaur has multiple symbolism. Not only does it represent a fearful creature keeping guard over the labyrinth of the mind, but as Jung’s shadow that can only be tamed by acceptance. Zampano’s crossed out passage states that King Minos� paternal love grows for the Minotaur as his understanding for his son grows. After the Minotaur’s destruction by Theseus, the king’s tears were not tears of relief at being rid of a monster, but tears of sorrow for one he loves.

Will, Karen and Johnny all had to traverse the labyrinth to overcome the figurative Minotaur, and embrace and accept the shadow in order to come out to the other side. Zampano, who ultimately did not accept his shadow, as evidenced by his crossing out of all passages relating to the Minotaur, died.

A passage in Homer’s Iliad appeared in the book in several languages, probably due to the fact that it is one of the most translated texts. It refers to the clanging of the troops, with criers urging them, “Quiet! Quiet! Attention! Hear our captains!� This, along with Navidson’s steady and experienced camera hand, is symbolic of the need to maintain a warrior’s calm in the face of obstacles in order to adequately access the situation to overcome difficulties.

Growl:

The ominous sound of the growl is significant throughout the book. Besides the growl that signifies the unseen Minotaur, the sound of the torture victim in the brazen bull, and the din of confused troops, Johnny’s journal contains passages on the growl:

"However, as I write this down--some kind of calm returning--l do begin to recall something else, only perceive it perhaps?...the way my father had growled, roared really, though not a roar, when he'd beheld my burning arms, an ear shattering, nearly inhuman shout, unleashed to protect me, to stop her and cover me, which I realize now I have not remembered. That age, when I was four, is dark to me. Still, the sound is too vivid to just pawn off on the decibels of my imagination. The way it plays in my head like some terrifying and wholly familiar song. Over and over again in a continuous loop, every repetition offering up this certain knowledge: I must have heard it--or something like it--not then but later, though when?"

When his mother tried to strangle Johnny because she wants to end his misery out of love, it said:

"...your father suddenly arrived and roared in intervention, a battering blast of complete nonsense, but a word just the same and full of love, too, powerful enough in fact to halt the action of another love, break its hold, even knock me back and so free you from me, myself and my infinite wish."

The growl came from the house as it changed form and structure, and from the unseen monster in the imagination of some of the house’s inhabitants. It also appeared in Johnny’s imagination as he was in the hallway of the tattoo parlor where he worked.

Leaves and Ashes:

The title, The House of Leaves, is significant to the book. Leaves are things people left behind, mementos, memories of themselves. Zampano left his writing, Navidson wanted Karen's hair that's on her brush, and Truant's mom left one sole thing to him along with her letters. Navidson’s career is about recorded memories. The book itself first made its appearance as leaves circulating through the internet.

The leaves also bring to mind of the ash tree, of the House on Ash Tree Lane. Ashes are remnants left behind, a symbol of sorrow. The pervading atmosphere of the book is memories and remnants of sorrow, ending in the sorrow reflected in Pelafina’s letters to her son.

A Deeply Felt Love Story:

...Be sure I looked up at her eyes
 Happy and proud; at last I knew
Porphyria worshipped me; surprise
 Made my heart swell, and still it grew
 While I debated what to do.
That moment she was mine, mine, fair,
 Perfectly pure and good: I found
A thing to do, and all her hair
 In one long yellow string I wound
 Three times her little throat around,
And strangled her. No pain felt she;
 I am quite sure she felt no pain...


-Porphyria’s Lover by Robert Browning


This disorienting labyrinth leads us to the gold mine of the poignant love letters of Pelafina Heather Lievre to her child prodigy son, Johnny. This complex love story is at once agoraphobic and claustrophobic. Pelafina is confined at the Whalestoe Institute for the insane. We discovered in her letter incidences of suffocating love combined with questionable accidents, which Johnny and Pelafina declared were accidents. Johnny was haunted by an act that Pelafina committed out of her love for him, an incident he denied as a mother’s gentle wiping of her son’s tears before they take her away. Johnny made his journey through the maze caused by his complex love relationship with his mother. Additionally, Karen and Navidson overcame their obstacles and nightmare of the House in a parallel love story.

This fascinating and original book plays with three-dimensional perception that extends from our world with the Haunted album based on the book by the author’s sister Poe and the legend of “leaves� of the book circulating throughout the internet, and into the core story of the odd house and its inhabitants. It cannot be categorized as purely postmodern, horror, romance or general fiction. It cannot even be categorized as purely literature, but under a type of literature called ergodic literature. Ergodic literature demands that the reader participates actively in the book, beyond the traditional linear reading of the text. The perspectives are spatial instead of linear, moving like a Russian nesting doll with a story nesting within a story within a story. It is a literary visual art. You cannot remove either the visual arrangement or the literary part without losing the full content of the book. The pictorial arrangements of the words and spacing are meant to add meaning to the story. The complicated journey into the manuscript goes to the innermost nesting doll of the House and its occupants, and out to us, the reader, as we are either annoyed or obsessed with solving the puzzle of this postmodern, beyond postmodern labyrinth. In the end, this book is about love and forgiveness overcoming the darkness in the labyrinth of our minds.
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Reading Progress

September 11, 2010 – Shelved
September 11, 2010 – Shelved as: genre-horror
March 14, 2012 – Shelved as: z-danielewski-mark
March 18, 2012 – Started Reading
March 18, 2012 – Shelved as: b-ghosts
March 18, 2012 – Shelved as: a-ebooks
March 18, 2012 – Shelved as: a-own
March 18, 2012 – Shelved as: a-paper-book
March 18, 2012 –
page 15
2.11% "From everything I've read about this book, this will be a radical read. I love it when I have to figure out something. It's exciting."
March 23, 2012 –
page 72
10.14% "Love, love this book. Might be one of the most memorable and unique books I've read."
March 25, 2012 –
page 192
27.04% "Whoo! Past the maze of words, mirrored words, lists, crawling up, down, sideways....This book is amazing! I will not forget this book. Ordering a hard back. It's gong to be one of the rare non-picture books I have since I went digital everything to save space. But this book is a rare hybrid of literature/visual. It cannot be read purely texturally without losing meaning. You have to SEE it."
March 25, 2012 –
page 338
47.61% "Ingenious. Top of the line, deeply knowledgeable about the writing process, the symbolism and meaning, the poetry....absolutely fabulutely great! And it's a current, breaking convention novel."
March 26, 2012 –
page 521
73.38% "We now know the individual fates of the occupants of the house. The focus is more on Johnny Truant now. I wonder how this book will wrap up."
March 27, 2012 –
page 709
99.86% "Yup! My 2nd favorite book of all time. The first one is my complete collection of Michelangelo that I received after telling my parents that's the only present I want for the year."
March 27, 2012 – Shelved as: 1-favorites
March 27, 2012 – Finished Reading
September 10, 2012 – Shelved as: b-ergodic-literature
December 5, 2012 –
page 736
100% "Yup! My 2nd favorite book of all time. The first one is my complete collection of Michelangelo that I received after telling my parents that's the only present I want for the year."
December 5, 2012 –
page 736
100% "Read it a year ago. Refreshing. Literary Darkness is reading it this month.

Literary Darkness"
December 27, 2012 –
page 736
100% "Loving the thoughtful discussion in Literary Darkness. I didn't think I would get a chance to revisit this book. I was looking at the hardback yesterday, and the book is exquisite, the attention to type, the layout, the detailing of the story. This is a book that is worth revisiting after the content have been absorbed, especially with people who are interested in understanding it. What great luck!"
May 16, 2017 – Started Reading
May 16, 2017 –
page 1
0.14% "Horrors Aficionados is reading this. Looks like a more receptive group. Refreshing my memory. I can't even remember what I wrote in my review. This was the book that got me to explore other styles of writing."
May 18, 2017 – Finished Reading

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Jurgen_i Seems to be a very interesting book. What did you like in it particularly?


Aloha I just realized that you probably would have a hard time getting the book in the Ukraine. Are you interested in reading the book? If you are, I'll see what I can do. I think this book would be up your alley, considering the type of movies you like. The problem you would have is the language barrier. I know you read English language books, but maybe you may not get some of the references. On the other hand, his language is modern, even if it's split between an academic tone and a post-modernist tone, so you might be fine with it.

Why do I like it? I love books that have a wealth of layers and that are unique. Books that I can pretty much guess the content after 1/4 into it loses my interest. I don't like books that I consider dumb once I reached the end. This is a well-thought out book that is complex. But well-thought out and complex is not all I'm seeking. I'm also seeking a book that bring out an emotional response. Every passage makes me think it is something else. I did not get what the whole book was about until I reached the end. It also made me feel poignant and sad because, ultimately, it is about love and relationships, not horror or academic facts. It is a one of a kind post-modern ergodic literature. He incorporates the visual into literature. You cannot do this book as an audio without losing content. He uses signs and symbols, but not obviously. Also, the content of the book is reliant on the layout and spacing of the words, and the appearances of the dual voice of Zampano and Johnny Truant, and the incorporation of footnotes. I think people who are reliant on the linear narrative would have a hard time with this book. It relies on visual thinking. The words sink into your head visually like a jigsaw puzzle, then puts itself wonderfully together in your brain at the end. I loved my Eureka moment when I reached the end of the book.

Here is the link to the discussion at HA on the book. Unfortunately, I'm doing most of the talking, but you can see why I like the book. I did not put all of the analysis in there because I got tired of hearing my own voice. LOL. I'm organizing a review. I better write it soon while I'm still thinking about it. I do my reviews usually out of passion for a book.

http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/8...


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Jurgen_i Oh, thanks a lot! For me your comment is better than almost any review - I got the complete understanding, whether i want to read the book. It's of a very high probability that i like it very much, my type of literature.
As for getting the book - i was lucky to find it. Hail piratebay! Hm...
I really enjoy books which demand efforts to understand them and this is the case with scientific sources i sould read. Some of them are horrible and unreadable for so long, but then i get just a great pleasure!
And it could be a good test for my English. I have recently read Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes in original. It was great and not very difficult. Oh, i like old English!
Now i need to get a bit of free time - and there House of Leaves will come!


Aloha LOL! I hope you enjoy the book. This book is a terrific mental trip. I got a lot of satisfaction out of it, as you can see. Maybe his concepts will break all language barriers.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Looking forward to your review. This is on my purchase wishlist.


Aloha Thanks, Ian. The physical book is beautiful, too. Worth buying, especially the hard copy. This is a brilliant work that I keep on finding new things within it. It makes 1Q84 seem simple. And you know how much we can talk about 1Q84.


Aloha Oh, if you're interested, here is the forum for the discussion of the book. Granted, I'm doing most of the discussing, but if you don't mind me....LOL

http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/8...


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Ha ha, of course, I wouldn't mind you.


Aloha I even did some yodeling in there. As a semiotician, you would enjoy the book. Once you see it, you'll get what I'm talking about.


Aloha G'Nite, Ian. Time for me to hit the sack.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye I dozed off there in the afternoon sun, too. Synchronicity.


Kathryn Hi, I read your review, and I think you are spot on. I read this book while I was in high school, almost ten years ago. I remember it being an experience entirely different than I thought it would be. There is the...misconception? Or something...this book is a horror book. I can see why some might think it is, or could be classified this way, but it is much more than that. It is a complex book, which requires the reader to get involved, whether they want to or not. When I read it, it sucked me in, and I found myself thinking about the stories and characters while I wasn't reading the book. I am glad to see someone else has read and enjoyed House of Leaves. It is definitely on my re-read list.

Also, I don't know if you know, there is a companion book, The Whalestoe Letters, which is a collection of Johnny's mother's letters while she is in a psychiatric unit. I only found out about it last week. It makes me curious to know if it reveals anymore about HOL or what she has to say. It would be fun to do a reread of HOL and include The Whalestoe Letters, and revisit the five and a half minute hallway.....


Aloha Hi, Kathryn. I'm glad you enjoyed the book. It's a book that demands you either get involved or leave it alone. You can't go into the book half-hearted, or you'll get totally confused and out of touch with the book. What I love about the book is that the concept is built within the mind subliminally. He didn't lay it out linearly for you to follow step by step. You have to get all the jigsaw pieces and let them build up. I like how a whole coherent story suddenly comes together in my mind. Not only that, but it really is an exciting book, not a boring conceptual book, if one takes the time to put all the pieces together. I'm still thinking about the book and wondering what other pieces I may not have noticed.

I'm aware of the companion book, The Whalestoe Letters, along with other books he's written. It's on my list to read. I think it would be great to read The Whalestoe Letters as an addendum to the content of HoL. I wonder how much more it would add or change our view of HoL.


Kathryn Aloha wrote: "Hi, Kathryn. I'm glad you enjoyed the book. It's a book that demands you either get involved or leave it alone. You can't go into the book half-hearted, or you'll get totally confused and out of..."

My thoughts exactly. What would the second book change for us? Would we be given more insight, would it make things more complex, etc...like you said, what would it add or change? It's an interesting thought, and it will be even more interesting to find out.


Aloha Kathryn, let me know when you get around to reading Whalestoe. I'd like your take on it. I'll let you know when I do.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye This is brilliant, Aloha. It's a culmination of everything you've been working on since 1Q84. Though I'll have to burn all evidence of my recollection of it now, so it doesn't shape my reading and writing.


Aloha LOL. Thanks, Ian. You either hate HoL or you love it. If you conceptually get HoL, you'll find the book is brilliant and original. I'm amazed at how he managed to pull it together. Something like this can be a total mess. It is to some people if they didn't take an effort to figure this book out.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye It's weird how effort is rewarded.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye I forgot to mention that David Foster Wallace's wife/partner was Karen Green.


Dharmakirti Its been a few years since I re-read HOL and after reading your review I eagerly anticiapte re-reading this. Great review!


Aloha Oh, that is interesting, considering that he had a chemical imbalance and committed suicide. I can't wait to start on Infinite Jest. I heard a lot about it.


Aloha Thank you, Dharmakirti! I am still finding out things about the book.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye I'm working behind the scenes on my review.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Karen is an artist who did the King of Clubs cover for DFW's "The Pale King".


Aloha Is it the cover with the King of Club on it? I went to your Infinite Jest review. You click on a link on one review to get to another review. It's a House of Leaves! LOL.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye It's all to do with the word and character length of the reviews on the front page.

I think it's 20,000 characters.

If my review is longer, I put it in My Writings.

I was surprised that your review fitted on the front page, but I did a word and character count and it came to 19,420 characters.

Were you aware of the limit and do you try to fit within it?


Aloha Nope. It's just good instinct, Ian. Old-fashioned good instinct. That's why synchronicity works for me. I don't think about it. It just happens. LOL.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Aloha wrote: "Is it the cover with the King of Club on it? I went to your Infinite Jest review. You click on a link on one review to get to another review. It's a House of Leaves! LOL."

http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/...

I thought you might be interested in the symbolism of the King of Clubs:

King of Clubs Cover
The King of clubs has the meaning of good character and loyalty and the realization of ideals. The card is said to be one who has great power, but one who is not aware of this, and is outwardly cheerful but inwardly reserved.
The King of clubs is said to have a natural affinity for the Queen of diamonds.


Aloha Thank you, Ian. I do love symbolism. Love your review, too. No matter how old you get, there's always so much to learn. It makes life interesting.


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mark monday wow! really impressive review, Aloha.


Aloha Thanks, Mark! My longest one yet and it barely covers what's in the book.


Jurgen_i I finally read it, your review, i mean! This review is as good as long it is, LOL. You really souldn't cover everything.
The very my type of literature, thanks for drawing my attention. I will come to House of Leaves after finishing another huge and comprehensive text Reamde.


Aloha I know. I don't write reviews to write reviews. I write to analyze, because I love to analyze more than writing reviews.

I hope you enjoy it, Jurgen. As much as you think I've covered everything, I doubt I covered the amount of stuff that is in there. That book has tons of layers and references. Good luck with Reamde. I'm still trying to read Neal Stephenson. I saw a YouTube interview with him, and he seemed very aloof, as is his work. I wonder whether intellectual people have to also be aloof and cold. I prefer Stephen King, who is much more personable, as is reflected in his work.


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Jurgen_i Oh yeah, i understand you very well, analyzing is far more fascinating than writing. But the trick is that the real work starts at the point of writing. I have a plenty of thoughts and ideas, but when i start formulating them for other people, they fade, they blink, they are trying to beat off me, to escape from me, to camouflage into trite and obvious. Besides that, while writing, one should always remember that one writes to other people.

As for Stephenson, he looks very aloof. I watched his interview when Reamde was about to being published. I think that this distance and kind of snobbery is more his disguise or style. You know, when i start talking expressively, sometimes i hear "Calm down, take it easy." And i answer that i'm calm, i just want to add something to my words, make them more interesting. I think it has nothing to do with intellect. I percept books by Stephenson rather closely, i just avoid his attempts to be aloof.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye Aloha wrote: "I know. I don't write reviews to write reviews. I write to analyze, because I love to analyze more than writing reviews."

Well said, Aloha, I totally agree with you, except I like the writing bit as well.

Even in the longest of reviews, the length of the review is determined not by the desire to be long or complete or thorough, but by the story that the ideas or whatever want us to tell.

I'm always conscious of the issues that remain unanalysed or the stories that remain untold.


Aloha For sure, Jurgen. I could go into obscure analysis and references, but then it'd be a chore to read. It's just enough to point the way. That's what a review does, anyway. That's why I break what I discovered in the book into categories, so it'd be easy to read.

Stephenson's book is kind of emotionally cold and aloof like his attitude. I don't see a warrmth between his characters. I tried one of his books but lost interest. I'll give it another shot later.

Jurgen_i wrote: "Oh yeah, i understand you very well, analyzing is far more fascinating than writing. But the trick is that the real work starts at the point of writing. I have a plenty of thoughts and ideas, but w..."


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Aloha Ian, I like the writing process in that my mind analyzes better when it wries. But I do like the writing art, obviously, or else I wouldn't appreciate how authors create worlds. I'm also fascinated with how words affect people, in meaning, signs, posters, literature, etc.

Sometimes when I'm done with the review, I feel like I have not finished analyzing it, like there were more things I could have said. This is especially when I'm enthusiastic about a book and want to share what I discovered.

Ian wrote: "Aloha wrote: "I know. I don't write reviews to write reviews. I write to analyze, because I love to analyze more than writing reviews."

Well said, Aloha, I totally agree with you, except I like ..."



Jurgen_i Aloha wrote: "It's just enough to point the way. That's what a review does, anyway."

Well said, this is the point of a review. And your review points the way.

Aloha wrote: "I don't see a warrmth between his characters. I tried one of his books but lost interest."

I don't believe, Aloha, what warmth could be among cannibals? LOL. Seriously speaking, thanks for drawing my attention to the problem of emotional warmth/coldness of the books. That is why i like so much Japan literature with not emotional depths, but emotional abysses: Yasunari Kawabata, Kenzaburō Ōe, Murakami, Ryūnosuke Akutagawa. As for Stephenson, Snow Crash is really the case of coldness. Hero Hiro with two swords and little empathy. But The Diamond Age: Or, a Young Lady's Illustrated Primer is different: the whole situation about Nell is warm. Stephenson likes to experiment. And Anathem is completely another case - normal people (people?) with emotions and weaknesses.


Aloha I'll have to give Stephenson another try along with China Miéville. I think I'm at the point where I'm ready to read books that are more "cool." I enjoy non-fiction, but for fiction, I prefer a lot of emotional depth. HoL won me over in the end because of its emotional abyss. I'm in the middle of reading Only Revolutions, but at a snail's pace, since it requires a lot of sifting through historical references and guessing what a phrase symbolizes. I already had to do a couple of rereading to try to figure out the best way for me to read so that I may absorb and decode the passages.


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Great review! I'm hunting around for a used copy. This sounds like the kind of book that grabs your skull and shakes it up a bit in the way that Borges' stories affect me.


Aloha Thanks, Jesse! Amazon has used ones from umbrella stores. It really is a rewarding book if you don't let yourself get confused by it. I'm reading Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid now. I see that Danielewski incorporates some of the concepts from the book in his literature, such as the infinite loop, recursion, etc. He's not hiding it, too, since he referenced GEB, Bach and the Minotaur.


Aloha House of leaves will be available as an eBook on October 16, 2012! I put in my pre-order.




Dustin Aloha wrote: "House of leaves will be available as an eBook on October 16, 2012! I put in my pre-order.

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Thank you for sharing, Aloha. But I'm not sure how well the text would come across via e-book..


Dustin Aloha wrote: "I just realized that you probably would have a hard time getting the book in the Ukraine. Are you interested in reading the book? If you are, I'll see what I can do. I think this book would be u..."

Why do I like it? I love books that have a wealth of layers and that are unique. Books that I can pretty much guess the content after 1/4 into it loses my interest. I don't like books that I consider dumb once I reached the end. This is a well-thought out book that is complex. But well-thought out and complex is not all I'm seeking. I'm also seeking a book that bring out an emotional response. Every passage makes me think it is something else. I did not get what the whole book was about until I reached the end. It also made me feel poignant and sad because, ultimately, it is about love and relationships, not horror or academic facts. It is a one of a kind post-modern ergodic literature. He incorporates the visual into literature. You cannot do this book as an audio without losing content. He uses signs and symbols, but not obviously. Also, the content of the book is reliant on the layout and spacing of the words, and the appearances of the dual voice of Zampano and Johnny Truant, and the incorporation of footnotes. I think people who are reliant on the linear narrative would have a hard time with this book. It relies on visual thinking. The words sink into your head visually like a jigsaw puzzle, then puts itself wonderfully together in your brain at the end. I loved my Eureka moment when I reached the end of the book.


VERY interesting! I didn't think it possible, but because of your insight, I'm even more intrigued now.:)


Aloha Hi, Dustin. Now that I'm reading Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid, the book is even more interesting. I understand more of what is in HoL. I have to hand it to Danielewski for being able to incorporate a difficult topic into literature.


Aloha Dustin, I think some parts will have to have embedded pictorial format, instead of as fonts. I'm curious myself, but I think that's what will happen. Although, I'm thinking even with that, there will be some loss, such as the passages being separated by the type of fonts.

Dustin wrote: "Aloha wrote: "House of leaves will be available as an eBook on October 16, 2012! I put in my pre-order.

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Dustin Aloha wrote: "Dustin, I think some parts will have to have embedded pictorial format, instead of as fonts. I'm curious myself, but I think that's what will happen. Although, I'm thinking even with that, there ..."

Aloha wrote: "Hi, Dustin. Now that I'm reading Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid, the book is even more interesting. I understand more of what is in HoL. I have to hand it to Danielewski for being..."


Hi, Aloha! Thank you very much, your input is always appreciated.:)


Aloha Ha! I was all over that. I have her album and was listening to the music as I'm reading the book. Thanks, Moonie.


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Kris Moonbutterfly wrote: "Hey, I know you are a big fan of the book. Did you know musician Poe (Marks Danielewski's sister) second album Haunted is a tribute to him? There is actually a song called "House of Leaves" on the ..."

A great album.


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Ian "Marvin" Graye I had never heard of her before. Thanks for the intro. I can't wait to enter their world.


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