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The Three-Body Problem (Remembrance of Earth’s Past #1)
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Jul 29, 2015
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Alright. I read this wrong. It's all on me.
I've got my Cone of Shame and am headed to the Shame Corner right now.
It was nice being out for awhile but we all knew I couldn't stay out for long.
I'm not sure if something was lost in translation, if I'm just really not good at science, or if I am waaaaay too American, but whatever the case, I did not enjoy this.
Well, I did, but only through maybe the first half. Then it got tedious, then it got boring, then it got downright ridiculous, and then I stabbed my ears out so I wouldn't have to listen anymore.
The story follows two timelines and characters that you know are going to intersect.
It starts with (phonetically-spelled, based on the reader's terrible pronunciation): Astrophysicist Yeah Wen-Sia who sees her father killed by three fanatic teenage girls when he won't deny science during the Cultural Revolution. Then, her favorite and best teacher commits suicide, her mother, who is terribly unstable, abandons her, and her sister has joined the Revolution and is a fanatic in her own right. Ye is angry and carries this anger with her to the woods where she is employed in deforestation at the base of Red Coast Station which is, essentially, a military base with a huge satellite that sits up on top of a hill and is fairly inaccessible and anyone who even strolls near will be shot.
The second storyline is that of (phonetically-spelled, based on the reader's terrible pronunciation) Wong Meow, owner of zero personality. He's a nanotech/biology somesuch researcher scientist in the current day who is alarmed when the nation's top physicists and other brainy sorts start committing suicide. I don't really remember, if I ever actually knew, how he falls into all of this, but he gets involved, via a tough-as-nails cop named Dah Shee, with a sort of investigation into the larger scope of the problem that is causing these scientists to kill themselves.
Through a series of not-noticeable events, Wang finds out about an online game called Three Body and he decides to play. It's a weird game that follows civilizations as they grow and then collapse on a world where there are three suns and these suns pose a real-life (like, real to our lives) mathematical quandary called the Three Body Problem in which three things whiz around a stationary object (I think. I may be making the stationary object up) but each has a different kind of orbit and they're sort of random and you must find the pattern of their zoomings to predict when they'll be close to each other or the object and when they'll be farthest apart, etc. How can you track the movement of these three bodies to predict what they'll do next, is the question. At any rate, if you solve the Three Body Problem in the game, you win. Only really smart people can play this game, obviously. People whose brains think in spatial relationships and numbers at all hours of the day, I assume.
There are more characters but these are the main two and their lives intersect and things happen.
Before I spew forth my list of what I misunderstood, I'm going to share what I thought I was going to read.
The Direction In Which I Thought This Book Would Go: (view spoiler)
What Actually Happened and Why I Lost Interest: (view spoiler)
And here are the things I just did not understand at all: (view spoiler)
Ok, so, it's obvious this went WAY over my head. Way way way over. I'm probably too inculturated in Western SciFi to be able to appreciate what I listened to. And, by the way, what I listened to was crap because, yet again, the narrator is some white dude who doesn't speak Chinese. Also, he made the Chinese tough-as-nails cop's voice alternate between a NYC beat cop accent and a Texan accent. It was bizarre. I did not enjoy that at all.
I've read several of the other five-star reviews here and I've yet to find any enlightenment on my misunderstandings. I'm just seeing a lot of people going nuts over how amazing this is and I can't understand, even from their glowing reviews, what they read that I didn't.
This is the first in a trilogy. I feel like I should listen to them all just to find out if any of my questions are answered but I'm not really into self-torture so probably, I'll pass.
I've got my Cone of Shame and am headed to the Shame Corner right now.
It was nice being out for awhile but we all knew I couldn't stay out for long.
I'm not sure if something was lost in translation, if I'm just really not good at science, or if I am waaaaay too American, but whatever the case, I did not enjoy this.
Well, I did, but only through maybe the first half. Then it got tedious, then it got boring, then it got downright ridiculous, and then I stabbed my ears out so I wouldn't have to listen anymore.
The story follows two timelines and characters that you know are going to intersect.
It starts with (phonetically-spelled, based on the reader's terrible pronunciation): Astrophysicist Yeah Wen-Sia who sees her father killed by three fanatic teenage girls when he won't deny science during the Cultural Revolution. Then, her favorite and best teacher commits suicide, her mother, who is terribly unstable, abandons her, and her sister has joined the Revolution and is a fanatic in her own right. Ye is angry and carries this anger with her to the woods where she is employed in deforestation at the base of Red Coast Station which is, essentially, a military base with a huge satellite that sits up on top of a hill and is fairly inaccessible and anyone who even strolls near will be shot.
The second storyline is that of (phonetically-spelled, based on the reader's terrible pronunciation) Wong Meow, owner of zero personality. He's a nanotech/biology somesuch researcher scientist in the current day who is alarmed when the nation's top physicists and other brainy sorts start committing suicide. I don't really remember, if I ever actually knew, how he falls into all of this, but he gets involved, via a tough-as-nails cop named Dah Shee, with a sort of investigation into the larger scope of the problem that is causing these scientists to kill themselves.
Through a series of not-noticeable events, Wang finds out about an online game called Three Body and he decides to play. It's a weird game that follows civilizations as they grow and then collapse on a world where there are three suns and these suns pose a real-life (like, real to our lives) mathematical quandary called the Three Body Problem in which three things whiz around a stationary object (I think. I may be making the stationary object up) but each has a different kind of orbit and they're sort of random and you must find the pattern of their zoomings to predict when they'll be close to each other or the object and when they'll be farthest apart, etc. How can you track the movement of these three bodies to predict what they'll do next, is the question. At any rate, if you solve the Three Body Problem in the game, you win. Only really smart people can play this game, obviously. People whose brains think in spatial relationships and numbers at all hours of the day, I assume.
There are more characters but these are the main two and their lives intersect and things happen.
Before I spew forth my list of what I misunderstood, I'm going to share what I thought I was going to read.
The Direction In Which I Thought This Book Would Go: (view spoiler)
What Actually Happened and Why I Lost Interest: (view spoiler)
And here are the things I just did not understand at all: (view spoiler)
Ok, so, it's obvious this went WAY over my head. Way way way over. I'm probably too inculturated in Western SciFi to be able to appreciate what I listened to. And, by the way, what I listened to was crap because, yet again, the narrator is some white dude who doesn't speak Chinese. Also, he made the Chinese tough-as-nails cop's voice alternate between a NYC beat cop accent and a Texan accent. It was bizarre. I did not enjoy that at all.
I've read several of the other five-star reviews here and I've yet to find any enlightenment on my misunderstandings. I'm just seeing a lot of people going nuts over how amazing this is and I can't understand, even from their glowing reviews, what they read that I didn't.
This is the first in a trilogy. I feel like I should listen to them all just to find out if any of my questions are answered but I'm not really into self-torture so probably, I'll pass.
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"Dammit to hell. I totally thought I was following along and I was feeling all smart and then there's the trap and a giant ship and what the hell is happening? It's pissing me off."
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Seriously?
How on earth did I miss that?
I still don't get why they discussed setting up the nanofilament trap all over the place and then finally decided on the Panama Canal and then the Judgement Day showed up there. Would it have showed up at all the other places they wanted to install the trap, as well? Am I thinking too hard about this?
Yes, I, too, had to keep reminding myself that this is book one of three and that maybe more will be revealed later. But the pain I felt when I didn't understand stuff because it wasn't logical - it hurt me. HURT ME!


It's the only way to clear the confusion out of my head.
Well, ok, it will give me more confusion but that confusion will override this confusion and I'll be back to my normal, comfortable state of not understanding.


In the meantime, I'm going to learn Chinese so I can read the next two books in their own language.
I'm sure that will help immensely.

I'm just a very industrious learner with scads of free time.
Also, I lie terribly.







Oh, I won't really try to learn Chinese just to read these books, don't worry. I've got enough on my plate already and I'm not so great with Asian languages. Like, after a year of being in Korea, I spoke with the proficiency of a really slow toddler. I was hopeless at Thai; I couldn't even pick up Hello and Thank you properly.
However, I will say that I did learn French just to be able to read Camus in his original language. But that was pretty much only because I had to take a language in high school.
Thank you for your comment and I'm glad other people enjoy this story more than I did. Like I said, I am fully aware that I read it wrong. I'll still probably read the other two at some point because I like to torture myself.

Although, all this talk about even attempting to learn other languages reminds me how god-awful poor I am at it. I've lived in Montreal for four years, IN THE LINGUA FRANCA side, and I'm still a complete dunce when it comes to french. So am I slightly jealous that you read Camus in the original? Yeah. Slightly. ;)

Oh, just wait til Kelly (and Mitchell) and Anne and potentially Shelby, but not necessarily, find this review. They're the You Read It Wrong finger pointers and will revel in my failing to grasp yet another book. The glee they will feel, it will be tween-ish.
French was super easy to pick up. I mean, pretty much, it's just Spanish and English mixed together and I hear a lot of Spanish around here plus I came with English installed, so French was easy. Also, my paternal family is French and my Grandmemere was always speaking really bad French at us, sooo...
Let me just tell you, Le Petit Prince is way better in the original language. And Camus suddenly makes sense when not translated.
If I tried to read any of those books today? I'd probably pick up two to three works per sentence and miss everything else. I have language dementia, or something. It just all left my brain.
Sadness.

Use it or lose it.
And by the way, I'd probably harass you, too, if it were something like a comic book that you weren't getting. This novel, though? Nah, it's not like there aren't flaws to it or pretty glaring loopholes to get snagged on. :)


Cyrillic languages, though, are harder. I picked up a smidgeon of Greek while I was there and could probably get the basics under control if I took a serious course on it which would subsequently open the door to Slavic languages but then there are things like Gaelic, Old Welshish, and Danish and those confuse me unto death.
Korean was fairly straightforward. I couldn't even begin to tackle Japanese, though, and Chinese? Gah! Maybe if I'd started when I was, like, 3...
So yes, I can agree with your sweeping generalization, Stuart.

For the third question you raised (about the transmission of info), the princeps indeed stated that they "received the report half an hour ago" (Chapter 33), but do notice that the first sentence of the chapter is that "8.6 Earth years later", so Trisolarans received the signal 8 years after sending the warning...
As for the transmission of info afterwards, the four modified protons played a vital role as they transmitted info via quantum effects, which theoretically do not require time for transmission, if I am not mistaken.
For Qn4, I notice that the comments above have revealed the nature of the ship (the identity of the crews, the reason why it was constructed, etc)...As for why it passed Panama Canal, see Chap 31.
Best regards.


Thank you for trying to help me understand these things.
Sadly, I am just not smart enough to get it, in this case. Also, I do not have this book - I listened to a copy from the library, so I can't even refer to chapter 31 to better understand why the Panama Canal. Still, I appreciate your efforts at enlightening me and my miserable misunderstandings.

Hahahaha! I've been doing that, myself, lately - just finding other reviews of things that say what I want to say and then I just link them in my review. It's so much easier that way!



Jian, thank you so much for your comment!
It makes me feel a whole lot better. I'm going to blame all my frustrations on translation. :)
And, yes, that part-time Texan accent was the worst! The absolute worst!

1) computer game was created by humans to identify possible sympathizers to the alien cause
2) see 1
3) can only travel 1/10 light speed and the ship is a ocean freighter
4) u have to register to enter the canal
5)they want earth to live not die
Big question I had was how did they understand our message and vice versa but otherwise I thought he did a good job of substantiation for what is largely speculation

1) computer game was created by humans to identify possible sympathizers to the alien cause
2) see 1
3) can only travel 1/10 light speed and the ship is a ocean freighter
4) u have to register to enter the canal
5)they want earth to live not die."
I listened to the book, the whole thing. That's why I keep referencing how the reader pronounces things, or mispronounces things, throughout my review.
I appreciate your efforts to enlighten me but I'm not enlightened at all.
1) I wanted to know HOW the game mechanics work not why the game was created;
2) I wanted to know how many people in the world knew about the interplanetary communication and the answer to Q.1 doesn't give me an answer to Q.2;
3) Those also aren't the answers to the questions I asked, though thank you for clarifying that the ship is an ocean freighter. I had wondered about that;
4) How far in advance do you have to register your ship before it crosses the Panama Canal? Would there have been enough time to get that information to everyone involved, then get all the people in place to set up the nanofilaments in time to slice the ship to ribbons? Did they have, like, a year's worth of advanced warning?
5) I don't remember the Tri-Solarans wanting everyone on Earth to live. Maybe that's cleared up in book 2. I haven't read it yet.

These misunderstandings are probably because of listening to an audio version. A lot of details are mentioned one time, and it's harder to reference missing details in audio than on text. I think a lot of the questions you pose do have textual answers, but it's easy to see how missing a sentence here and there due to a loud noise or spacing out could throw things out of whack.
For example, the aliens do mention a possible counter-invasion by Earth, but that's not the reason they decided to invade. They do want to colonize Earth. That statement was made by an alien scientist to convince the leader to support "Project Sophon" instead of building a second invasion fleet. His argument for this is that Earth will be a dangerous civilization, unless their scientific discovery is stifled. And that's why it's smarter to make these photon supercomputers instead of just making a 2nd attack fleet. But that doesn't change the goal of the first fleet--invasion and colonization.
But all that exposition is done so close together that if a loud truck is idling beside you at a traffic light, you could get really disoriented about it. The light turns red and you're hearing about the invasion force travel speed. The light turns green and now you're hearing about an Earth counter-invasion. Unless you rewind, which I never do, you'd definitely get confused. I don't listen that much to audiobooks for that reason. This book in particular might be tough to listen to, I think. Not to mention--in the text, there are footnotes.

Let alone a review as inaccurate, misleading and flat out wrong when it comes to the subject matter.
Unfortunately Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ ranks reviews by how many people respond to it - not on legitimacy.

A few things about the game really bothered me, and you brought a couple of them up. There seemed to be other 'real people' that the MC met in the game, but everyone plays their own game. Also, the name of the game makes it pretty obvious what the solution to the first part of them problem was to anyone with a physical science background (anyone who would play the game), so I can't see that it would be difficult to solve. At this point I don't know who made up the game, the aliens? Maybe I know this and I've just forgotten. Why did they make the 3 body question part of the problem? They already knew they had 3 suns, why would each player have to figure that part out?
Then there are some things about the alien civilization that I can't really understand. Who survives the chaotic periods? Does everyone that was dehydrated? Where in civilization do they start from when they are revived? The book makes it sound like they have to start over from single celled life forms every time and evolve up to whatever stage they get to, but if that happens how does anyone know the history of what happened before and what happened to all the dehydrated people? How do they know there have been x number of restarts? Archeology could get some of the info, but if 3 giant suns boil everything away there's not going to be anything for archeologists to find. So confused. I guess I'll finish the book.
Btw, very detailed and good review!