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The Three-Body Problem by Liu Cixin
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Alright. I read this wrong. It's all on me.
I've got my Cone of Shame and am headed to the Shame Corner right now.
It was nice being out for awhile but we all knew I couldn't stay out for long.

I'm not sure if something was lost in translation, if I'm just really not good at science, or if I am waaaaay too American, but whatever the case, I did not enjoy this.

Well, I did, but only through maybe the first half. Then it got tedious, then it got boring, then it got downright ridiculous, and then I stabbed my ears out so I wouldn't have to listen anymore.

The story follows two timelines and characters that you know are going to intersect.
It starts with (phonetically-spelled, based on the reader's terrible pronunciation): Astrophysicist Yeah Wen-Sia who sees her father killed by three fanatic teenage girls when he won't deny science during the Cultural Revolution. Then, her favorite and best teacher commits suicide, her mother, who is terribly unstable, abandons her, and her sister has joined the Revolution and is a fanatic in her own right. Ye is angry and carries this anger with her to the woods where she is employed in deforestation at the base of Red Coast Station which is, essentially, a military base with a huge satellite that sits up on top of a hill and is fairly inaccessible and anyone who even strolls near will be shot.

The second storyline is that of (phonetically-spelled, based on the reader's terrible pronunciation) Wong Meow, owner of zero personality. He's a nanotech/biology somesuch researcher scientist in the current day who is alarmed when the nation's top physicists and other brainy sorts start committing suicide. I don't really remember, if I ever actually knew, how he falls into all of this, but he gets involved, via a tough-as-nails cop named Dah Shee, with a sort of investigation into the larger scope of the problem that is causing these scientists to kill themselves.
Through a series of not-noticeable events, Wang finds out about an online game called Three Body and he decides to play. It's a weird game that follows civilizations as they grow and then collapse on a world where there are three suns and these suns pose a real-life (like, real to our lives) mathematical quandary called the Three Body Problem in which three things whiz around a stationary object (I think. I may be making the stationary object up) but each has a different kind of orbit and they're sort of random and you must find the pattern of their zoomings to predict when they'll be close to each other or the object and when they'll be farthest apart, etc. How can you track the movement of these three bodies to predict what they'll do next, is the question. At any rate, if you solve the Three Body Problem in the game, you win. Only really smart people can play this game, obviously. People whose brains think in spatial relationships and numbers at all hours of the day, I assume.

There are more characters but these are the main two and their lives intersect and things happen.

Before I spew forth my list of what I misunderstood, I'm going to share what I thought I was going to read.

The Direction In Which I Thought This Book Would Go: (view spoiler)

What Actually Happened and Why I Lost Interest: (view spoiler)

And here are the things I just did not understand at all: (view spoiler)

Ok, so, it's obvious this went WAY over my head. Way way way over. I'm probably too inculturated in Western SciFi to be able to appreciate what I listened to. And, by the way, what I listened to was crap because, yet again, the narrator is some white dude who doesn't speak Chinese. Also, he made the Chinese tough-as-nails cop's voice alternate between a NYC beat cop accent and a Texan accent. It was bizarre. I did not enjoy that at all.

I've read several of the other five-star reviews here and I've yet to find any enlightenment on my misunderstandings. I'm just seeing a lot of people going nuts over how amazing this is and I can't understand, even from their glowing reviews, what they read that I didn't.

This is the first in a trilogy. I feel like I should listen to them all just to find out if any of my questions are answered but I'm not really into self-torture so probably, I'll pass.
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Reading Progress

July 29, 2015 – Started Reading
July 29, 2015 – Shelved
August 11, 2015 –
0.0% "Dammit to hell. I totally thought I was following along and I was feeling all smart and then there's the trap and a giant ship and what the hell is happening? It's pissing me off."
August 12, 2015 – Finished Reading

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Bradley The judgement day ship was just the barge that the human rebels siding with the Tri-Solarans used to spearhead their war against other humans. You know, those rich and cooky self-haters that always think it's better to cause chaos and rebuild afterward in their own image. Remember that the game was designed to ensnare the most rich and smart disaffected in the whole world. Hence, Judgement Day.

Btw, very detailed and good review!


Bradley One thing I had to keep in mind the entire time reading this was the fact it's book one of three. I'm sure a lot more reveals are also on the way. :)


Erica Brad wrote: "The judgement day ship was just the barge that the human rebels siding with the Tri-Solarans used to spearhead their war against other humans."

Seriously?
How on earth did I miss that?

I still don't get why they discussed setting up the nanofilament trap all over the place and then finally decided on the Panama Canal and then the Judgement Day showed up there. Would it have showed up at all the other places they wanted to install the trap, as well? Am I thinking too hard about this?

Yes, I, too, had to keep reminding myself that this is book one of three and that maybe more will be revealed later. But the pain I felt when I didn't understand stuff because it wasn't logical - it hurt me. HURT ME!


Bradley lol, It's okay, It's okay. Shhhh. Shhhh. ;) Perhaps the pain will be gone by the time you read book two.


Erica I need to go read a fluffy novel now.
It's the only way to clear the confusion out of my head.

Well, ok, it will give me more confusion but that confusion will override this confusion and I'll be back to my normal, comfortable state of not understanding.


Bradley It sounds as if you've got one really solid understanding, anyway. You ought to be proud and delight in it! Some of us don't even get that far. ;)


Erica Thank you for trying to make me feel better about my intellectual shortcomings.
In the meantime, I'm going to learn Chinese so I can read the next two books in their own language.
I'm sure that will help immensely.


Bradley Overcompensate much? ;)


Erica Why, I have no idea what you're talking about.
I'm just a very industrious learner with scads of free time.

Also, I lie terribly.


Bradley I'd need a few extra lifetimes to want to learn to read Chinese. I'm just not that civilized. Fortunately, lying is a very civilized thing to do, so you might be just fine if you DO decide to learn Chinese. :)


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Mir I took two years of Cantonese and learned like 10 characters, just as a caution. But I'll caveat that 1)I'm not very good at learning languages and 2) the teacher had no qualifications.


Stuart Loved your review, Erica. Brad and I were more charitable, but I too thought the characters were mostly cardboard but the Trisolarans at the end were pretty cool. Sorry it caused so much trauma. As for language learning, I'm a Japanese-English translator by trade, but I would never try to learn a language just to read a book in the original language. I'm pretty sure the clunky characters are true to the original - Liu is trying to write decent characters, but his strengths lie in ideas and extrapolation.


Bradley It's kinda funny we're talking about his characterizations, because in the second book, he goes out of his way to talk about writing good characters, almost as if he had this conversation with us and is trying to apologize or say how hard it is. Truly fascinating.


Stuart Yes, he tried pretty hard in The Dark Forest, but that was the weakest part of the book for me. I would prefer he stuck to his ideas about humanity, intelligent life, and global politics instead~


Bradley He's certainly got a good head for novels about ideas. I honestly loved the ant-pov at the beginning, although it took me a moment to settle into it and remember the whole "You Are Bugs" thing from the first novel.


Erica Stuart wrote: "Loved your review, Erica. Brad and I were more charitable, but I too thought the characters were mostly cardboard but the Trisolarans at the end were pretty cool. Sorry it caused so much trauma. As for language learning, I'm a Japanese-English translator by trade, but I would never try to learn a language just to read a book in the original language. I'm pretty sure the clunky characters are true to the original - Liu is trying to write decent characters, but his strengths lie in ideas and extrapolation. "

Oh, I won't really try to learn Chinese just to read these books, don't worry. I've got enough on my plate already and I'm not so great with Asian languages. Like, after a year of being in Korea, I spoke with the proficiency of a really slow toddler. I was hopeless at Thai; I couldn't even pick up Hello and Thank you properly.
However, I will say that I did learn French just to be able to read Camus in his original language. But that was pretty much only because I had to take a language in high school.

Thank you for your comment and I'm glad other people enjoy this story more than I did. Like I said, I am fully aware that I read it wrong. I'll still probably read the other two at some point because I like to torture myself.


Bradley No one here thinks you read it wrong lol. I actually agree with your assessments.

Although, all this talk about even attempting to learn other languages reminds me how god-awful poor I am at it. I've lived in Montreal for four years, IN THE LINGUA FRANCA side, and I'm still a complete dunce when it comes to french. So am I slightly jealous that you read Camus in the original? Yeah. Slightly. ;)


Erica Brad wrote: "No one here thinks you read it wrong lol. I actually agree with your assessments."

Oh, just wait til Kelly (and Mitchell) and Anne and potentially Shelby, but not necessarily, find this review. They're the You Read It Wrong finger pointers and will revel in my failing to grasp yet another book. The glee they will feel, it will be tween-ish.

French was super easy to pick up. I mean, pretty much, it's just Spanish and English mixed together and I hear a lot of Spanish around here plus I came with English installed, so French was easy. Also, my paternal family is French and my Grandmemere was always speaking really bad French at us, sooo...
Let me just tell you, Le Petit Prince is way better in the original language. And Camus suddenly makes sense when not translated.
If I tried to read any of those books today? I'd probably pick up two to three works per sentence and miss everything else. I have language dementia, or something. It just all left my brain.
Sadness.


Bradley lol :)

Use it or lose it.

And by the way, I'd probably harass you, too, if it were something like a comic book that you weren't getting. This novel, though? Nah, it's not like there aren't flaws to it or pretty glaring loopholes to get snagged on. :)


Stuart Yeah, to make a sweeping generalization, I'd take a chance and say that European languages are easier to acquire for English speakers than Asian languages. That was certainly the case in my translation graduate school, where European language students were able to translate literature while the Asian language students like myself were focusing more on current events, financial, technical, business documents.


Erica Well, I don't know that all European languages are easier for English speakers, but the ones based in Latin sure are. I mean, just because I know English, some French, and a smattering of Spanish, I can suss out some Italian, Portuguese, or anything else that looks/sounds similar.
Cyrillic languages, though, are harder. I picked up a smidgeon of Greek while I was there and could probably get the basics under control if I took a serious course on it which would subsequently open the door to Slavic languages but then there are things like Gaelic, Old Welshish, and Danish and those confuse me unto death.

Korean was fairly straightforward. I couldn't even begin to tackle Japanese, though, and Chinese? Gah! Maybe if I'd started when I was, like, 3...
So yes, I can agree with your sweeping generalization, Stuart.


Junhui Yang Hi there! Accidentally encounter your comment and want to clarify something..
For the third question you raised (about the transmission of info), the princeps indeed stated that they "received the report half an hour ago" (Chapter 33), but do notice that the first sentence of the chapter is that "8.6 Earth years later", so Trisolarans received the signal 8 years after sending the warning...
As for the transmission of info afterwards, the four modified protons played a vital role as they transmitted info via quantum effects, which theoretically do not require time for transmission, if I am not mistaken.
For Qn4, I notice that the comments above have revealed the nature of the ship (the identity of the crews, the reason why it was constructed, etc)...As for why it passed Panama Canal, see Chap 31.

Best regards.


Sandra Love this review. LOL this is pretty much how I feel about this book. I won't even have to write a review. I can just say "see Erica's review".


Erica Junhui wrote: "Hi there! Accidentally encounter your comment and want to clarify something."

Thank you for trying to help me understand these things.
Sadly, I am just not smart enough to get it, in this case. Also, I do not have this book - I listened to a copy from the library, so I can't even refer to chapter 31 to better understand why the Panama Canal. Still, I appreciate your efforts at enlightening me and my miserable misunderstandings.


Erica Sandra wrote: "Love this review. LOL this is pretty much how I feel about this book. I won't even have to write a review. I can just say "see Erica's review"."

Hahahaha! I've been doing that, myself, lately - just finding other reviews of things that say what I want to say and then I just link them in my review. It's so much easier that way!


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Farha Amisha Hundreds of physicists died mysteriously. A Chinese nanomaterials expert, WANG MIAO, sees mysterious countdown in his eyes. Soon he finds out that the "disastrous planet" under three suns in a game really exists. The three-body civilization there will reach the Earth in 400 years. A future catastrophe is coming for human beings


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Jian So...perhaps to confirm your (and many others') suspicion here, I think the charm of the writing is definitely washed out in the translation. I am reading the trilogy in Chinese and have found the writing stylistically charming - the best analogy I can use to describe it is probably me as a renaissance artist looking at mid-century graphic design. As I was reading the book, I kept wondering how on earth anyone would be able to translate this into other languages, without having pages of footnotes on the casual or not-so-casual references. But then the footnotes by themselves would've killed the charm of the writing. So yeah to me this book is mindblowing, but I'd probably not be able to keep a straight face listening to a Texan accent LOL


Erica Jian wrote: "So...perhaps to confirm your (and many others') suspicion here, I think the charm of the writing is definitely washed out in the translation."

Jian, thank you so much for your comment!
It makes me feel a whole lot better. I'm going to blame all my frustrations on translation. :)
And, yes, that part-time Texan accent was the worst! The absolute worst!


Steve Just curious but did you actually read the book? Appears you skimmed it as the answers to all your questions are I there

1) computer game was created by humans to identify possible sympathizers to the alien cause
2) see 1
3) can only travel 1/10 light speed and the ship is a ocean freighter
4) u have to register to enter the canal
5)they want earth to live not die

Big question I had was how did they understand our message and vice versa but otherwise I thought he did a good job of substantiation for what is largely speculation


Erica Steve wrote: "Just curious but did you actually read the book? Appears you skimmed it as the answers to all your questions are I there

1) computer game was created by humans to identify possible sympathizers to the alien cause
2) see 1
3) can only travel 1/10 light speed and the ship is a ocean freighter
4) u have to register to enter the canal
5)they want earth to live not die."


I listened to the book, the whole thing. That's why I keep referencing how the reader pronounces things, or mispronounces things, throughout my review.

I appreciate your efforts to enlighten me but I'm not enlightened at all.
1) I wanted to know HOW the game mechanics work not why the game was created;
2) I wanted to know how many people in the world knew about the interplanetary communication and the answer to Q.1 doesn't give me an answer to Q.2;
3) Those also aren't the answers to the questions I asked, though thank you for clarifying that the ship is an ocean freighter. I had wondered about that;
4) How far in advance do you have to register your ship before it crosses the Panama Canal? Would there have been enough time to get that information to everyone involved, then get all the people in place to set up the nanofilaments in time to slice the ship to ribbons? Did they have, like, a year's worth of advanced warning?
5) I don't remember the Tri-Solarans wanting everyone on Earth to live. Maybe that's cleared up in book 2. I haven't read it yet.


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Greg Coming in way late, but trying to benefit anyone with similar confusions.

These misunderstandings are probably because of listening to an audio version. A lot of details are mentioned one time, and it's harder to reference missing details in audio than on text. I think a lot of the questions you pose do have textual answers, but it's easy to see how missing a sentence here and there due to a loud noise or spacing out could throw things out of whack.

For example, the aliens do mention a possible counter-invasion by Earth, but that's not the reason they decided to invade. They do want to colonize Earth. That statement was made by an alien scientist to convince the leader to support "Project Sophon" instead of building a second invasion fleet. His argument for this is that Earth will be a dangerous civilization, unless their scientific discovery is stifled. And that's why it's smarter to make these photon supercomputers instead of just making a 2nd attack fleet. But that doesn't change the goal of the first fleet--invasion and colonization.

But all that exposition is done so close together that if a loud truck is idling beside you at a traffic light, you could get really disoriented about it. The light turns red and you're hearing about the invasion force travel speed. The light turns green and now you're hearing about an Earth counter-invasion. Unless you rewind, which I never do, you'd definitely get confused. I don't listen that much to audiobooks for that reason. This book in particular might be tough to listen to, I think. Not to mention--in the text, there are footnotes.


Steve Bottom line a review of an AUDIO book should never be the 1st and most prominent review on a BOOK review website.

Let alone a review as inaccurate, misleading and flat out wrong when it comes to the subject matter.

Unfortunately Å·±¦ÓéÀÖ ranks reviews by how many people respond to it - not on legitimacy.


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Leigh This is a good review. I'm not done with the book yet, but I was confused about... things, so came to goodreads to read some reviews.

A few things about the game really bothered me, and you brought a couple of them up. There seemed to be other 'real people' that the MC met in the game, but everyone plays their own game. Also, the name of the game makes it pretty obvious what the solution to the first part of them problem was to anyone with a physical science background (anyone who would play the game), so I can't see that it would be difficult to solve. At this point I don't know who made up the game, the aliens? Maybe I know this and I've just forgotten. Why did they make the 3 body question part of the problem? They already knew they had 3 suns, why would each player have to figure that part out?

Then there are some things about the alien civilization that I can't really understand. Who survives the chaotic periods? Does everyone that was dehydrated? Where in civilization do they start from when they are revived? The book makes it sound like they have to start over from single celled life forms every time and evolve up to whatever stage they get to, but if that happens how does anyone know the history of what happened before and what happened to all the dehydrated people? How do they know there have been x number of restarts? Archeology could get some of the info, but if 3 giant suns boil everything away there's not going to be anything for archeologists to find. So confused. I guess I'll finish the book.


Maciej 5/5 review of 2/5 book. Preach on!


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Zora If only the book had been half as interesting as your review of it.


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Ryan Wowsers, how long did it take you to write that review? Dictation?


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