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I'd forgotten just how funny it is! In some places it is very serious, but it is written primarily for children, so it's not as dark as The Lord of the Rings. The dwarves constantly doubting Bilbo's abilities (not to mention Biblo's lack of confidence) is very humors and cleverly hides the message of not judging a book by its cover.
I look forward to hearing what others think (yes, even those that didn't read it as kids and maybe don't really care for it as adults).

I, too, had forgotten just how humorous this book was. Bilbo's constant struggle between the Tookish and the Baggins sides of his personality is often the deciding factor in how this adventure/misadventure will go. And all the while there is Gandalf, the antagonist, enjoying the utter chaos that ensues, stepping in only when it is necessary to preserve life and limb.






In How to Read Literature Like a Professor: A Lively and Entertaining Guide to Reading Between the Lines by Thomas C. Foster, he describes the essentials of a quest, which are:
(a) a questor (Bilbo & the Dwarves), (b) a place to go (Lonely Mountain), (c) a stated reason to go there (to reclaim the stolen Dwarve's treasure from the dragon Smaug), (d) challenges and trials en route (many!), and (e) a real reason to go there (to be determined). Foster always stated that "the real reason for a quest is always self-knowledge". I can't wait to find out to see how Bilbo matures and changes (gotta love round, dynamic characters) and to discover the TRUE reason of his quest.




I have never read The Hobbit and LOTR before even though my brother did when he was younger and is a big fan and has been after me to ever since. I finally have recently put them on my to-read list and am glad we are reading The Hobbit this month. I just started it and am liking it already. My brother was right. He told me I would like it.
I actually read The Hobbit a month or so ago, before it was even nominated for a side read, and I loved it. Now I am slowly reading LOTR, among other books too, and though it is a tougher read I am enjoying it immensely.


I know this is primarily a children's book, but the tone is just not right for me if it is to be the immersive experience I'd expect a fantasy novel to be. It's all about the journey and how Bilbo is going to experience changes, but we know exactly what these changes are going to be, and never, even when they are suffering from hunger, is there a sense of danger or risk. The light hearted tone just works as a dismissal of the "reality" and ultimately put me off. A great shame, too, since I, for instance, thought the Gollum part was building up magnificently, and when I read that Tolkien was inspired by his WW1 experiences, I wish it would have been managed differently to get a greater sense of the dangers, even if he does get a point across about heroism and loss.
Now, of course, if I accept the tone as it is, there was another thing that bothered me greatly, which is the character gallery. It's Bilbo's journey, which is fine, but his journey is accompanied by so many people, I wish Tolkien had taken time to explore these further as well. My main gripe is probably the dwarves. With a couple of exceptions, they're all just the same to me and ultimately aren't much more than run-of-the-mill hack and slash people that are used as a tool to display Bilbo's development.
Another disappointment was Gandalf, who is like a stereotype of himself in the novel compared to what I've seen in the LOTR films, as well as being a projection of Tolkien who stands as the wise man who teaches the reader.
With that said, the story goes by quickly enough and if nothing else, it's a good old good vs evil story with some pretty fluid writing. But it's not more than an average novel to me.


I did not read it as a kid, but it was my first Tolkien. I found it a lot easier than LOTR, but not really a children book.
I thought Biblo especially in the beginning a kind of sissy, but that's maybe because he is a hobbit.

Bilbo learned much more about himself than he probably ever really wanted to know and I am sure that he is back to his little hobbit home under the hill smoking his pipe, the Tookish traits having been satisfied. And though he had thoroughly lost all respectability as a Hobbit, I suspect that now that his adventuring days are done he will one day earn back his good reputation.
Next on my list: Terry Pratchett's new book, Dodger, which I preordered. yay!

Bilbo learned much more about himself than he probably ever really wanted to know and I am sure that..."
Dodger is on my reading list as well. :D I have to finish the pile of books beside my bed, and then I can read all the Terry Pratchett books that I've hoarded.

I definitely will - after all, I did very much like the film trilogy. In truth, I've just missed out on a childhood treasure, which is unfortunate.

I like Lord of the Rings better than The Hobbit (and that I read for the first time in my forties), but they both have that magical quality of pulling me into the story to the point of not analyzing, which is rare anymore.

Liz, Bilbo never does completely earn back his "respectability." Tolkien makes that clear in LOTR - however, he also makes it clear that Bilbo doesn't really care. His Tookish side, having been activated once, continues to lead him on adventures, although nothing like his trip to The Lonely Mountain.
I'd just like to mention that, for anyone who wants to delve more deeply into Tolkien's work, Professor Corey Olsen (better known as "The Tolkien Professor") has a series of lectures/podcasts available on iTunes. As I confessed, I am a Tolkien nerd. He has an at least partially completed series specifically on The Hobbit, and his English 494 class that deals specifically with Tolkien's works (including the Silmarillion) from 2010, is available in it's entirety.
I love LOTR even more than I love The Hobbit and reread it at least once every couple of years. It is a very different sort of book than the Hobbit, and Middle Earth is a very different sort of place, during the events of The Lord of the Rings.

Liz, Bilbo never does completely earn back his ..."
Who says we are semi crazy? lol. I also consider myself a Tolkien freak who rereads the LOTR every few years. I've also read the Silmarillion several times. Rereading the Hobbit has been great because I have not read this in years. Made me realize how much I enjoyed this story the first time around.

Liz, Bilbo never does completely..."
Exactly! I am almost finished (second time after a forty year absence) and not only is it a great story but it is beautifully written. Some people may have difficulty reading it because the writing style is 'old' - it is not JK Rowling - but once you get into the rhythm and flow, you become a part of the story itself.

Tolkein is a very descriptive writer and I find myself pausing throughout the book a lot to re-read passages or visualize the landscape, characters and setting. While this makes the story a bit of a slower read than most children's novels, the descriptive writing is part of what makes the story so magical.
I am also not sure that I agree with statements that the novel does not convey any danger. The target audience for this book is children and I think that most children would perceive that there is some danger when reading this book. As an adult, however, I can't help but giggle lightheartedly when I picture some of the predicaments the treasure seekers find themselves in.

I know I checked that one out years ago, but I was a young teen and didn't really understand any extra significance to what I was reading. For the life of me, I don't remember much of anything about it, except there were rabbits involved. I don't even know if I finished it. I've always wanted to though. I think I remember a cartoon film version? I remember that being really creepy for some reason...

I know I checked that one out years ago, but I was a young teen and didn't really understand any ex..."
You should try reading it again. It really is a great story. One of my alltime favorites.



The descriptive scenes take us soaring and plummet us to the depths of the earth. The characters are family and friends and bosses and teachers and people from our ancestral past known only to us from intuition and instinct and from the myths and folklore of our lives, of the lives of human kind. In Bilbo’s inability to achieve an ethical standard that we in our Eurocentric society hold dear, but which in reality is very unrealistic, we find sorrow and feel failure.
Sentence phrasings may be archaic and stilted and difficult for us in 2012 to grasp but there is a pattern in the flow and if you abandon yourself to it you become more involved. He encourages you to create your own visuals. You close your eyes and you see this place. Middle earth.
Tolkien’s books are so unlike the movies I think it would be a huge mistake to compare them. It’s apples and oranges. I remember in the Lord of the Rings having a minds eye vision of Strider/Aragorn and when the movie came out I was very disappointed in the character as played by Viggo Mortenson. Not that he did a bad job. He was just not Strider for me. The one time this movie worked for me was in the depiction of the Gollum character.
It’s all about expectations, isn’t it? When I first read this, I was in my college library. There were benches by huge bay windows. I started reading the book in the early afternoon with sunlight streaming in and it was dark before I realized I had to go home. If you are expecting a movie, this is not the book for you. If you want to create your own in your mind, it is.


I loved it too :). I read it after LOTR and it was awsome to see how it all started



I have been avoiding movie spoilers, myself, so maybe they're doing something totally different, but that's my guess based on the two trailers I've seen.



I felt the same way when I finally got around to reading Tolkein. You've finished the book just in time to enjoy the movie too, which is an added bonus.


Have fun Alana. Let us know if they've done a good job making the movie.

I'd also like to know what you thought of the movie. There's a lot of stuff from the LOTR appendices in it, although they've played with the timeline, and they punch up the action considerable, but I was pretty happy with it until near the end, when they made a change that I thought changed Bilbo's character and his relationship with the dwarves, which bugged me (the other changes just kind of felt inevitable since Jackson wanted to do a movie that was a success and that's how he works).
Still liked it, though.
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