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McCain in 2000 was advocating overthrow of governments by insurrection, Ukraine, Libya and Syria, fine examples. Now USAID in Venezuela bribing opposition parties to install a right wing government!

In February 2000, during a Republican debate, McCain and other candidates were asked what foreign policy they would change immediately if they became President. "I'd institute a policy that I call 'rogue state rollback,'" McCain said. "I would arm, train, equip, both from without and from within, forces that would eventually overthrow the governments and install free and democratically- elected governments."[

James Morcan wrote: "

This BBC article (see link above for full article) makes for interesting reading - it investigates whether the United States is behind the creati..."

So very accurate!

I'm from the Middle East. Many people in that region believe in the conspiracy theories which holds the west the responsibility for ISIS's rise.
Unfortunately half the conspiracy theories could be true.
I have no doubt that the main bulk of ISIS comes from a minority of religious extremes who believe in the idea of martyrdom and apocalypse. Most of those religious fanatics are not local to Iraq and Syria but came from other countries around the world to fight there.
Having said that, I believe that some western powers contributed passively and actively in the process of ISIS making. If you track who would benefit from instigating wars in 3rd world countries I'm sure you can trace it back to large oil and weapon companies. Through these wars they maintain their business. They can sell their obsolete weaponry to the groups in these countries, for instance, Saudia Arabia and other gulf countries have purchased a lot of weapons since the rise of ISIS. Wars in those countries can also insure western involvement and dominance in the region. Of course there will be some collateral damage like western hostage beheading and refugee crises but even in that case US will be the least to be affected and the weapon and oil companies will still be the main winners from wars and instability in third world countries.

H.A. wrote: "Having said that, I believe that some western powers contributed passively and actively in the process of ISIS making. If you track who would benefit from instigating wars in 3rd world countries I'm sure you can trace it back to large oil and weapon companies. Through these wars they maintain their business. They can sell their obsolete weaponry to the groups in these countries, for instance, Saudia Arabia and other gulf countries have purchased a lot of weapons since the rise of ISIS. Wars in those countries can also insure western involvement and dominance in the region. Of course there will be some collateral damage like western hostage beheading and refugee crises but even in that case US will be the least to be affected and the weapon and oil companies will still be the main winners from wars and instability in third world countries. ..."

Yes, and I would add to the list mining companies, Big Pharma companies and those corporations like Halliburton who do the rebuilding contracts after our (Western) nations blow these countries up! The whole charade of "fighting for peace" would be hilarious if it wasn't for the fact that innocent people are dying.

I think it was Frank Zappa who said fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.

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Catchy title, JP!

Thanks, Jim!
BTW, right off the bat, does US in the title make you think of USA, or just us?
maybe we could do a poll on that?
best, JP

Thought it reads both ways...like a clever word play or dual meaning

H.A. wrote: "I'm from the Middle East. Many people in that region believe in the conspiracy theories which holds the west the responsibility for ISIS's rise.
Unfortunately half the conspiracy theories could be ..."

Good post HA.

Money, Blood and God: Who Funds Terrorism? /videos/9797...

Tagline for the above video: It's no secret that religious extremists in the Middle East use kidnapping and robbery to generate income -- but they have investors as well. And, though you might not hear it in the news, many of these investors are US allies.

BREAKING: Putin Reveals ISIS Funded by 40 Countries, Including G20 Members --

James Morcan wrote: "BREAKING: Putin Reveals ISIS Funded by 40 Countries, Including G20 Members -- "

What with this, plus Russia's supposed coming out with 9/11 inside job details, and the fact Russia have just been bombing the shit out of hospitals in Syria and 'the west' retaliating in response, and not to mention that the Russian P.M said this week we were heading for a new cold war... I have a bad feeling the shit's really gonna hit the fan this year between Russia and 'the west'...

Harry wrote: "What with this, plus Russia's supposed coming out with 9/11 inside job details, and the fact Russia have just been bombing the shit out of hospitals in Syria and 'the west' retaliating in response, and not to mention that the Russian P.M said this week we were heading for a new cold war... I have a bad feeling the shit's really gonna hit the fan this year between Russia and 'the west'......"

The whole narrative sure is gettin' hard to follow, huh? Who are the bad guys and who are the good guys? And are there any good guys left at all?

And could that the Global Elite's goal? To confuse the bejesus out of the common people until finally we all end up so disorientated that we just trust our rulers that they know best? :)

If you believe one side are ruling all sides, as I do, it's pretty easy to see exactly what's going on. Pawns have been playing out ever since 9/11, taking us into a familiar world that conspiracy theorists forecast many moons ago.

Yes, they're ALL the bad guys. That's the big secret that's blatant when you stop to look at how things actually are, from a Chomsky type perspective. The sooner the 99% of us who aren't the bad guys realise that, the sooner we can stop killing and displacing everyone.

Exposing the I.S.I.S Lie: How President Obama & Hillary Clinton Created I.S.I.S. --

Speaking at the third Liberty Tour, sponsored by Paul Preston's Agenda 21 Radio on July 11, 2015 former Army intelligence officer and once private contractor to CIA financier Booze, Allen, Hamilton Scott Bennett the author of the book ‘Shell Game�� a Military Whistleblowing Report to Congress. stated he gave Rolling Stone reporter Michael Hastings information about Swiss bank accounts which directly implicated former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and President Obama in the formation of I.S.I.S. just prior to Hastings being killed in a suspicious auto accident.

Scott explains the true story about the report which prompted Edward Snowden to go public with information about unconstitutional abuses against Americans by the National Security Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Department of Justice and the President of the United States, Barack Hussein Obama.

Harry wrote: "If you believe one side are ruling all sides, as I do, it's pretty easy to see exactly what's going on. Pawns have been playing out ever since 9/11, taking us into a familiar world that conspiracy theorists forecast many moons ago.

Yes, they're ALL the bad guys. That's the big secret that's blatant when you stop to look at how things actually are, from a Chomsky type perspective. The sooner the 99% of us who aren't the bad guys realise that, the sooner we can stop killing and displacing everyone. ..."

Very well put, Harry...I guess this entire charade falls like a house of cards when the public's naivety runs out...

But until then, there will still supposedly be "good guys" and "bad guys" with no duality or shades of grey in that narrative...

I'm no fan of Donald Trump, but he does have a point here:

Donald Trump calls Obama the 'founder of ISIS' --

Republican presidential nominee, Donald Trump, called President Obama the "founder of ISIS" at a campaign rally in Fort Lauderdale, Florida on Wednesday.


While attempting to make a point about US foreign policy related to the fight against the terror organisation, Trump asserted that the Islamic State "honours" Obama.

"In many respects ... ISIS is honouring President Obama -- he is the founder of ISIS."

The real-estate businessman repeated the line several times amid some applause.

"I would say the co-founder would be crooked Hillary Clinton," Trump quipped. That represents a demotion for Clinton. Trump last week claimed his Democratic presidential rival herself was "the founder of ISIS," and suggested she "should get an award" for it.

The Trump campaign has routinely floated conspiracies suggesting that the Obama Administration sympathizes with the terror group.


Donald Trump: President Obama "founded ISIS"
-- MSNBC (@MSNBC) August 11, 2016

WikiLeaks CONFIRMS Hillary Sold Weapons to ISIS

US FAKING TERROR IN PHILIPPINES

Charles wrote: Very interesting discussion. I remember seeing something also about McCain being photographed with a key al-Nusra Front figure. I'm sure there is an awful lot of very dodgy stuff that McCain gets up to on his travels that the public know nothing about. What is John McCain's function for the American deep state?..."

Yes, I recall there were reports of McCain's assistant being caught with footage of staged ISIS beheadings...

And yes, I think your question about McCain's role in the Deep State is a pertinent one.

What the United States funding another "type" of government take overs?? I'm so shocked! NOT! Can't wait to watch the made for TV movie on that one.....

Roxanne wrote: "What the United States funding another "type" of government take overs?? I'm so shocked! NOT! Can't wait to watch the made for TV movie on that one....."

:)

America Created Al-Qaeda and the ISIS Terror Group

CIA Created ISIS �� Assange Drops Bombshell on WikiLeaks Release of 500K US Cables

Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To Overthrow Syria's President Assad

ISIS : A CIA Creation to Justify War Abroad and Repression at Home

Come on James, what sort of question is that?

Laureen wrote: "Come on James, what sort of question is that?"

A question for the enlightened ;)

You might like to check out

Hahaha. And you are the best judge of that, James? Showing your true colour a bit there .

Ian wrote: "You might like to check out
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Interesting article, Ian, thanks.
I think much of the stuff Putin has been saying from the early 1990's onwards about Western intel agencies such as the CIA and MI6 creating, financing and secretly managing terrorist networks like Al-Qaeda, ISIS and others, is mostly true.

However, that doesn't mean Putin is any better!
I think he's as bad, or almost as bad, as the rascals we have for leaders in the West unfortunately.

What was it the Romans said? Absolute power corrupts absolutely?

Laureen wrote: "Hahaha. And you are the best judge of that, James? Showing your true colour a bit there ."

Hey Laureen - Not for the first time I wonder perhaps if this group isn't for you...

James wrote: "Ian wrote: "You might like to check out
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Interesting article, Ian, thanks.
I think much of the stuff Putin has been saying fro..."

I agree Putin is no saint, but I am coming to the conclusion he is not particularly worse than a lot of others.

Ian wrote: "I agree Putin is no saint, but I am coming to the conclusion he is not particularly worse than a lot of others. ..."

I definitely tend to agree with you, Ian.
It's sure getting hard to know just who are the good guys in this era!

Excellent article, worth a read...

False Flags and the Trump Administration: Expect an Erratic Flip-Flop Foreign Policy, a Return to Gunboat Diplomacy and More Illegal Wars of Aggression

I tend to agree with the "false flag" interpretation. I have heard another news clip (yet to be verified as true) that Trump has ordered further bombing of the Syrian army who were heading towards eastern Syria, where ISIS is. If true, this is more than deplorable.

As an aside, the turmoil in Syria was probably caused by terrible harvests, which were caused by lack of rainfall, which in turn was caused by global warming, you know, that other thing that Trump does not believe in.

Ian wrote: "As an aside, the turmoil in Syria was probably caused by terrible harvests, which were caused by lack of rainfall, which in turn was caused by global warming, you know, that other thing that Trump does not believe in. ..."

Haha!
Good point.
Another point is the CIA has been meddling in Syria for years and they know how to engineer wars...They have it down to a fine art, in fact.

Of course, none of this is to deny extremist forms of Islam, which while still in the minority of that religion it is still dangerous. Islamic terrorism is real. But unfortunately the more stealth-like terrorizing of such vulnerable nations by intelligence agencies is also very real...It's just that the latter group knows how to leave very little obvious trace...

German soldier posing as a Syrian refugee arrested for planning 'false flag' terror attack
Investigators say lieutenant stashed gun at Vienna airport to be used in 'act of state-threatening violence'

A German soldier found posing as a Syrian refugee has been arrested for allegedly planning a “false flag�� shooting attack that would be blamed on asylum seekers.

The unidentified soldier was detained when he went to retrieve a loaded pistol he had hidden in a bathroom at Vienna International Airport.

The public prosecutor’s office in Frankfurt said the 28-year-old is suspected of planning a serious “state-threatening act of violence��, fraud and violating firearms laws.

More than 90 German police officers have worked alongside Austrian and French security forces to search 16 locations across three countries on Wednesday, when a suspected accomplice was arrested in Bavaria.

See full article here:

Worth considering...

Newsbud Exclusive- “Manchester Bombing: How British Intelligence Has Coddled Terrorists��

Salman Abedi, the alleged perpetrator of the deadly bombing at Ariana Grande concert in Manchester, was on the radar of British secret services, according to interior minister Amber Rudd. "We do know that he was known up to a point to the intelligence services," she told Sky News.
This admission follows a pattern. Abdelhamid Abaaoud, the supposed mastermind of the Paris attacks in 2015, was on the radar of intelligence services in France and Belgium, and Khalid Masood, the terrorist blamed for the Westminster attack earlier this year, was also on record with security services in Britain. In fact, there are numerous cases going back decades where this was the case.
Dame Eliza Manningham-Buller, the former Director General of MI5, said in 2006, "MI5 and the police were tackling 200 groups or networks totaling more than 1,600 identified individuals in the UK who were ‘actively engaged in plotting or facilitating terrorist acts.’��
More recently, the current head of MI5, Andrew Parker, said his agency and British police are monitoring more than 3,000 suspected jihadis.
British intelligence, however, is far more familiar with suspected terrorists than either Manningham-Buller or Parker are willing to admit.
Imam Abu Qatada—the “alleged spiritual leader of the al-Qaida terrorist network,�� “Osama bin Laden’s right-hand man in Europe,�� and “believed by several European countries to be a pivotal figure in international terrorism”—was installed in a safe house by British intelligence. In 1996 and 1997, Qatada met with a British MI5 agent and agreed to become an informant for British intelligence.
Qatada was such a valuable asset the British turned down a request to extradite him to Jordan where he was suspected of participating in a series of car bombings. He was subsequently granted asylum. “Britain had given shelter to one of the fiercest advocates of the global jihad. Abu Qatada lived and breathed the al-Qaeda ideology, issued religious decrees�� allowing Algerian terrorists to commit mass murder in the name of God, and raised hundreds of thousands of pounds for Islamists to carry on the war against Russia in Chechnya,�� write Sean O’Niell and Daniel McGrory in their 2006 book, The Suicide Factory.
Bisher al-Rawi, a long-time friend of Qatada, was also an informant for MI5 and worked as an intermediary between the British intelligence agency and the high-profile imam. “All I did in Britain was try to help with steps necessary to get a meeting between Abu Qatada and MI5. I was trying to bring them together. MI5 would give me messages to take to Abu Qatada, and Abu Qatada would give me messages to take back to them.�� Al-Rawi’s association with MI5 was later admitted in court papers.
Qatada would later claim that shortly after 9/11 MI5 offered him a passport, an Iranian visa, and an opportunity to escape to Afghanistan. He said he turned down the offer because he did not trust the intelligence agency not to hand him over to the Jordanians, the Egyptians, or the Saudis.
Imam Omar Bakri Mohammed, who help found the Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir, and later Al-Muhajiroun, was also an important asset of British intelligence. “The British government knows who we are. MI5 has interrogated us many times. I think now we have something called public immunity,�� he said in 2001. Mohammed enjoyed immunity despite calling for the assassination of British Prime Minister John Major.
“Freedom and democracy bring nothing but chaos. I am here to bring the message to Britain and to one day fly the black flag of Islam over Downing Street,�� he declared in 2000. He admitted supporting jihad “verbally, financially, and even militarily�� and added that “We have had a lot of volunteers from England wanting to attend camps for military training. We send them to South Africa, Afghanistan, Nigeria, and Kashmir.�� Mohammed made these statements while under the watchful eye of British intelligence.
Abu Hamza al-Masri, a leading radical imam who ran the Finsbury Park mosque, also worked for British intelligence. In 1997, he told a rally of jihadists in London that they should attack aircraft over London and provided a plan for doing so. The meeting was also attended by Omar Bakri Mohammed. British authorities took no action. The authorities also took no action when al-Masri was implicated in a beating of elderly Muslims at the Finsbury Park mosque.
In June 2001, the Italian Secret Service SISDE said al-Masri had proposed a plot to attack planes, apparently in connection with the G8 summit in Genoa, Italy. The same year an al-Masri associate at the Finsbury Park mosque, Djamel Beghal, was implicated in a plot to attack the US embassy in Paris. “Despite Beghal’s clear links to operations in London and Leicester, however, there was no search of the [mosque] building and no attempt to arrest the chief recruiter [Abu Hamza al-Masri] who had led the prayers there. The mosque continued to be at the center of jihad recruitment,�� write O’Neill and McGrory.
Mohammed Sidique Khan, said to be the lead suicide bomber of the 7/7 attack in London that killed 56 people, attended the Finsbury Park mosque. Khan and fellow suicide bomber Shehzad Tanweer first heard Abu Hamza preach in Leeds, and when Khan arrived at the mosque he carried a letter of recommendation from Haroon Rashid Aswat, a top and high-profile aide to al-Masri. Aswat is considered the mastermind of the 7/7 attack. He is also a British intelligence asset, according to John Loftus, former US government prosecutor and former Army intelligence officer.
“What’s really embarrassing is that the entire British police are out chasing [Aswat], and one wing of the British government, MI6 or the British Secret Service, has been hiding him. And this has been a real source of contention between the CIA, the Justice Department, and Britain.�� He’s a double agent,�� Loftus told Fox News on July 29, 2005.
Loftus maintains the “Justice Department ordered�� Seattle prosecutors not to touch Aswat [because] apparently Aswat was working for British intelligence. Now Aswat’s boss, the one-armed [London imam Abu Hamza al-Masri], he gets indicted two years later.��
Haroon Rashid Aswat was arrested in Zambia in July 2005 and extradited back to Britain. After he arrived he was not questioned about his role in the 7/7 attack and the authorities said they would not prosecute him for any crime. Instead, they planned to extradite him to the United States where there was a warrant for his arrest in connection with efforts to help start a militant training camp in Oregon in 1999.
The record is clear—British intelligence allows dangerous terrorists to roam freely in the country, protects them, and refuses to prosecute them for plotting and engaging in acts of terror. The establishment media portray this as “intelligence failures,�� but there is another, more rational explanation—like the CIA, British intelligence is using Islamist terror as part of an Operation Gladio type covert operation to realize a political agenda: a never-ending war on terror that enriches the military industrial complex and extends the surveillance state and expands a repressive police state.
“What we’re seeing now is a disgraceful attempt by the government and security services to exploit the valid fears of the British public in order to justify the surveillance of innocent citizens on an extraordinary scale,�� Green Party leader Natalie Bennett said in 2015.
British PM Theresa May raised the terror threat level to critical following the Manchester attack and has posted the army outside Buckingham Palace, Westminster, and Downing Street. “Today we have 984 members of the military coming forward as requested by the police,�� said Home Secretary Amber Rudd.
The soldiers will be deployed as part of Operation Temperer. May said troops will be "visible" at large events including concerts and football matches. It is the first time Operation Temperer, organized after the Charlie Hebdo terror attack in Paris in January 2015, has been mobilized.
Operation Temperer provides for up to 5,100 soldiers to be deployed to "augment armed police officers engaged in protective security duties" at key sites in major UK cities.
It is unlikely police and soldiers armed with automatic rifles can indeed prevent a terrorist attack. The move, however, does let the British people know they now live in a police state and may soon be under an emergency decree like the people of France.

THE INDEPENDENT: Egyptian state media claims Isis is 'made up' and 9/11 was carried out by West to justify war on terror
Isis could have been invented by the US to "justify the devastation, partitioning and occupation" of the Middle East, writes Noha Al-Sharnoubi

Article excerpts:

A columnist for a state-run newspaper in Egypt has suggested the US invented Isis and set up the 9/11 attacks to justify its military interventions in the Middle East.

She also cast doubt over the veracity of the actions of the so-called Islamic State, alleging the extremist group could have been made up to “trick�� the world and validate US foreign policy.

Ms Al-Sharnoubi also questioned the contents of Isis propaganda videos, suggesting the militant group could be “another story that was prepared in advance [by the West] to justify the devastation, partitioning and occupation�� of Middle Eastern countries.

“Does it make sense that most Isis members are foreigners [i.e., Western nationals], unless ISIS is another story that was prepared in advance [by the West] to justify the devastation, partitioning and occupation [of countries] that is taking place and will continue to take place in the Middle East?�� she wrote, according to Memri.

“Those who are murdered and [then] accused of perpetrating terror attacks in the West �� are they the real culprits?"

"[Perhaps Western] intelligence elements are behind the attacks and the bombings, and later Muslim citizens are arrested and killed and simply accused of perpetrating [the attacks] in order to justify what is happening in the Arab countries in the name of the war on terror, and in order to justify the plan to persecute the Muslims in the U.S. and Europe and expel them? Have we really been deceived, and continue to be deceived, to such an extent?!��

Egypt is listed as number 159 out of 180 countries in Reporters Without Borders’s 2016 World Press Freedom Index.

According to the report, “journalists are obliged on national security grounds to report only the official version of ‘terrorist�� attacks�� under an anti-terrorism law passed in 2015.

Read full Independent article here:

James wrote: "Worth considering...

Newsbud Exclusive- “Manchester Bombing: How British Intelligence Has Coddled Terrorists�� ..."

Suggest you guys read up on the White Widow, married to the 7/7 bus bomber who was killed.
Although there was a warrant out for her, the UK Home Office issued her a new UK passport a month after the bombing, she flew to JHB, she was picked up on our radar, we offered to return her to UK, offer was declined, from SA she went to Tanzania, Kenya, where she was involved in the Mall bombing, then Somalia, she obtained a SA passport/ID card/Drivers licence, was seen at mosques in Laudenum, Durban and Cape Town.
Then she pops up training ISIS female fighters, then Ukraine,

Who was she working for???????????????????????

James wrote: "CIA Created ISIS �� Assange Drops Bombshell on WikiLeaks Release of 500K US Cables

Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Creat..."

VERY CORRECT!

John wrote: "James wrote: "CIA Created ISIS �� Assange Drops Bombshell on WikiLeaks Release of 500K US Cables

Secret Pentagon Report Rev..."

Some very interesting articles in this link, just arrived in my inbox!

‘CIA and Mossad created ISIS��, says Julian Assange as Wikileaks releases 500k US cables

America Created Al-Qaeda and the ISIS Terror Group - Global Research

How Britain Helped Create ISIS

Origins of the Islamic State (ISIS): Who is Behind “Al Qaeda in Iraq��? Pentagon Acknowledges Fabricating a “Zarqawi Legend��

By Prof Michel Chossudovsky
Global Research, November 23, 2017

Saudi Arabia is still financing ISIS and other repressive Islamic groups. It's rumored that Israel is too because they are anti-Shia which includes Syria and Iran. Politics is weird.

Yes. The destabilization of the region is our doing so we are responsible. The way we destabilized Libya was an atrocity, most ISIS fighters are Libyan or Tunisian.

Who is funding ISIS? Maram Susli aka 'Syrian Girl' | Studio 10

The Truth About What’s REALLY Happening in Syria With Syrian Girl

Watch "Putin Tells Everyone Exactly Who Created ISIS" on YouTube


I think this French politician is wrong that it was just America who created ISIS, but still it's pretty funny to hear him say this on live TV!

"You Americans created the Islamic state group!" says French MP Jacques Myard