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This thread is to discuss JR Ward, who writes the Black Dagger Brotherhood and Fallen Angel series:

I loved Covet. Is Crave out yet?

It comes out October 5th.

Looooong way off stil.

Indeed. But I haven't read Covet yet.

I really did not like Covet. I could only get through a couple of chapters. I HATED the hero and couldn't connect with the heroine. All the slang is in almost every sentence and it just turned me off. A lot of hard core BDB fans liked it though, so if you love the warden you should try it. I kind of fell off the BDB train recently.

I've heard that Covet doesn't appeal to everyone as far as Ward fans. It's possible that I won't like it, but chances are pretty good that I will. I love the whole fallen angel, bad guy as the hero theme.

Danielle "The Book Huntress" wrote: "I've heard that Covet doesn't appeal to everyone as far as Ward fans. It's possible that I won't like it, but chances are pretty good that I will. I love the whole fallen angel, bad guy as the her..."

Covet was okay but not nearly as good as the Brotherhood books, imo. The storyline was a little confusing at first but once it straightens out its pretty interesting.

You should try it, I also love fallen angels and and a good bad boy. I think for me the hero went beyond bad boy into cold-hearted bastard territory. Although like I said my response to this book could be colored with my dissatisfaction with her newer books in the BDB series. Let me know how you like it, I'd be interested in getting your take on it.

I will be reading it this or next month, so I'll post my thoughts on Covet.

I'll keep an eye out.

Huh, well I really enjoyed Covet. On the first read through, I thought it was a stronger start to a series than Dark Lover was.

I was really surprised by how Covet ended. Wasn't expecting it to go the way it did...........Ok, shutting up now.

You know I am a big JR Ward fan! But I didn't think Dark Lover was that romantic. I thought it was interesting, and I was sucked in enough to continue the series.

It's been my experience that the first book in most series is really the least successful ones.

This is my observation: the JR Ward fans seem to fall in three camps:
1)Those who like the first books better
2)Those who like the later books better
3)Those who love all the books the same

I'm in camp two. The reason why is because I didn't get drawn into the series for the romance. I loved the worldbuilding and the society and intrigue of Dark Lover. I love the romances in the later books, but I never fell for Beth and Wrath (until Lover Avenged.) I'm not a big Rhage fan, although I did like Mary and I admit it was a romantic story. Lover Awakened was the first book in the series where the romance clicked with me. I'm one of the fans who will probably read every thing she writes because I really like her books and her writing. I can see why others complain about her, but it doesn't bother me, because she always brings an enthralling reading experience for me. I don't see my love for her changing.

From what I've heard, Covet isn't romance. It's urban fantasy with a romance. I'm totally cool with that. I have different expectations for different genres. If I read an UF book and it has a good romance, then it's a fringe benefit.

I haven't read Covet yet, I am waiting for Crave so I have two books at once!

I think I would fall in to catergory 3) I love every book, but each one has a different thing I like about it and ineitably I have favourites as well.

I didn't think That Dark Lover was that romantic either, but Wrath and Beth are my favourite couple. I think the Rhage and Marys book was the most romantic, followed by Butch and Marissa. Phurys book I found the most heartbreaking, but also had lot of world building in. I have to say I didn't connect so well with LU, as I have never really warmed to V.

I can kind of see why people complain about her books, but I love the characters and find the world she has created so interetsing that her idiosyncrasies don't bother me that much.

I'm the same way, Suzanne. Every author has their quirks. Most of my fave authors have plenty. Heck, I'm quirky myself, so I don't let that bother me.

Same here, I figure as long as the brothers keep me salivating I am happy.

Yup!

I'm in camp #1, but I'm still reading the series and I have "Covet" in my TBR pile, too. I agree, though, that "Dark Lover" wasn't very romantic. I really enjoyed "Lover Eternal" and I loved "Lover Awakened."

Harper, we'll have to compare notes on Covet.

We will! I like the fallen angel concept, so I hope it's good!

I must say that I loved Rhage with an unholy obsession and Lover Eternal will be forever in my heart. sigh

Rhage is yummy and I do think he is one of the more romantic brothers.

Have you read the insiders guide and what they did on valentines day? Rhage getting cake icing and writing MARYS LOVE BUG on his chest (or something similar, there was definately love bug there somewhere) LOL that made me laugh so much.

I need to reread LE and DL.

@Suzanne-you know I never read the Insiders Guide I may have to pick it up. Does it have something like a short with Rhage in it?

I still remember that 2 months ago i'm soooo addicted to this series. (LOve Z and V ^^)
But it change when i read Lover Enshrined.
Phury's book is not work for me, i thik Ward has changed her writing style.
And sorry, i feel uncomfortable with Qhuinn-Blaylock relationship (i'm not into m/m relationship :( )
It change a bit well when i read Lover Avenged, love what Ward did to Wrath-Beth (and i skip Qhuay scene and Lash, sorry for team Qhuay :( )
I still not read Lover Mine yet, but i promise i'll read it. That book in my must to read list this year.
I like the BDB companion too^^
My fave is the message board and i really love the story "Knitting Anonymous" (poor V, really2 bad Rhage, lol)

I am a big JR Ward fan...Covet is a very different book compared to the Brotherhood...You do have to get OVER the first few chapters but then man it gets good...I also had to remember that this was a different concept than that of the "vampires". These are fallen angels and they are in Caldwell, NY....I think there will be some connection...with the brotherhood eventually......Anyway, read the book!! I recommend it highly!!

I'm in the minority, but I loved Lover Enshrined. It was painful to read, because I hate drug abuse. But, it was honest and real. I think Phury is very under-appreciated. But that's just me.

I really liked Lover Enshrined aswell, I loved Phury, I don't think it is the best in regards to the love story, mainly because there wasn't enough of it. I agree that it was painful to read, not so much with the drugs, but the reason he was taking them.

Crystal- No I don't think there are any shorts on Rhage, however there is some message board things in which he features quite a bit and a section about Lover Eternal.

Thanks, Suzanne. I will see if my library has a copy.

I'm glad to talk to another Phury-lover. We need to stick together. :)

I like Phury, but I just wanted to slap him during LE. Oh, and give him a few choice words which I'm not sure I'm allowed to type here. He seemed so wishy washy over Cormia and the Primale stuff.

Danielle "The Book Huntress" wrote: "I'm in the minority, but I loved Lover Enshrined. It was painful to read, because I hate drug abuse. But, it was honest and real. I think Phury is very under-appreciated. But that's just me."

I loved it to, although not because of Phury. =/ I loved all of the side stories and world building in that one - it's my second favorite after LAv.

I don't think I've ever met a BDB fan who hated Bella and Zsadist, Zosia. Why do you hate them?

Autumn wrote: "I like Phury, but I just wanted to slap him during LE. Oh, and give him a few choice words which I'm not sure I'm allowed to type here. He seemed so wishy washy over Cormia and the Primale stuff."

Phury had some bigtime issues. He wasn't the most romantic guy. Good thing that Cormia loved him unconditionally, which is what he really needed. I'd like to see more of Phury and Cormia as a happy couple.

DarkHeart, knowing you, I definitely can see what you liked about LEn. Oh, I don't know, Qhuinn/Blay/John Matthew, maybe? :)

Ha! Yeah, you got me. But it wasn't just them, it was the introduction to Rehv's relationship with the princess, it was Xhex, it was Lash and it was Tohr and Lassiter. Basically, the book was full of awesome! =D

Very true. You know I love me some Rehv and Xhex.

Phury is good, I do agree that the book doesn't seem to focus much on Phury and Cormia; however, when their POVs are up I really liked them. I get why Phury didn't actiely chase Cormia, he didn't think he was good enough for her, which I guess at some points he kinda wasn't. He just needed alotta love from Cormia lol

The Qhuinn/Blay/JM bits were good aswell, is it in LEn that Qhuinn and Blay have the kiss?

I agree with you Suzanne, about Phury and Cormia. The kiss does occur in LEn. That was a powerful scene.

It was ery powerful, I still wasn't convinced about the whole Qhuay thing at that point, but over the last few books especially Lover Mine I was convinced, and I now very worship at the alter of Qhuay LOL

I think Qhuinn and Blay should be together. I admit, I really like Blay with Sax for now. I think Blay needs some love and to feel wanted and appreciated, and Qhuinn isn't doing that for him right now.

I agree, I think that it is good that he got together with Sax, just so he can get some self confidence, and I know it is mean, but I am glad Qhuinn is jealous! But I do want them to get together in the end, or rather as soon as possible, I don't really mind if they get there own book or not, just as long as it gets resolved!

I think Qhuinn deserves to squirm with jealous after all the squirming he made Blay do, so I'm with you. I am so buying their book.

Me too, I will probably buy anythign the Ward writes tbh!

He definately deserves to squirm and although I get why he doesn't want to be with Blay and face all the social stigma I still think he treated Blay poorly by having sex so blatantly infront of him when he knows how Blay feels about him.

I think Qhuinn needs to get his head together. That's what I hope to see in the coming books.

So...a question for those BDB readers...The newest book Lover Unleashed comes out the end of March. Its Paynes story..twin sister to Vishous...The one who was held prisioner by the Scribe Virgin, her mother....I was waiting for Lover Mine and Johns story but this doesnt intrest me as much...Anyone else have thoughts on what might happen next in this book?? does she intrest you??

I just heard that there is suppose to be a lot of Vishous in this book, whom I love. Thats what I'm looking forward to.

*fist bumps Megan* Me too! I love me some Vishous. Payne is interesting but Manny hasn't made much of an impression.

Ward is like crack. You know it's not good for you but you can't help doing it anyway. I bitch about her crazy worldbuilding, the ridiculous slang and product placement, her what the hell is that writing style and the scary people on the message board all the time but dammit I'm hooked.

I feel the same way, Akaria, though I've managed to avoid the message board, lol! For example, does a silent H really make a name sound cooler and more kick-butt? It makes me want to add silent H's to various names, like:

"Bhobby Brahdy." :P

And yeah, I'll keep reading in the BDB series. "True."