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message 1: by Mike (last edited Sep 24, 2023 03:28PM) (new)

Mike Fowler (mlfowler) | 239 comments I read War and Peace earlier this year and thought it would be fun to follow with Crime and Punishment. I realised I could keep this pattern going with a few books I already had and a few more that I could get reasonably cheaply. I canvased Twitter for some more suggestions and the current list (updated as suggestions appear below), goes:


� War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy - Review
� Crime and Punishment by Fyodor Dostoevsky - Review
� Sense and Sensibility by Jane Austen - Review
� Works and Days by Hesiod - Review
� Pleasures and Days by Marcel Proust - Review
� North and South by Elizabeth Gaskell - Review
� Dombey and Son by Charles Dickens - Review
� Hautot and Son from A Parisian Affair and Other Stories by Guy de Maupassant
� Fathers and Sons by Ivan Turgenev - Review
� Sons and Lovers by D.H. Lawrence - Review
� Wives and Daughters by Elizabeth Gaskell - Review
� Timaeus and Critias by Plato - Review
� Gold-tree and Silver-tree from Scottish Folk and Fairy Tales: From Burns to Buchan
� Daphnis and Chloe by Longus from Greek Fiction
� Layli and Majnun by Nizami Ganjavi - Review
� Pierre and Luce by Romain Rolland - Review
� Pierre and Jean by Guy de Maupassant
� Zadig and L'Ingénu by Voltaire - Review
Romeo and Juliet by William Shakespeare
Vis and Ramin by Fakhraddin Gorgani
Tristan and Isolade
âœ� - Retold by µþé°ù´Ç³Ü±ô in The Romance of Tristan - Review
- Retold by Gottfried von Straßburg in Tristan with the 'Tristan' of Thomas
- Retold by Joseph Bédier in The Romance of Tristan and Iseult
Troilus and Criseyde by Geoffrey Chaucer
Troilus and Cressida by William Shakespeare
Caesar and Cleopatra by George Bernard Shaw
Antony and Cleopatra by William Shakespeare
Ruslan and Ludmila by Alexander Pushkin
Paul and Virginia by Jacques-Henri Bernardin de Saint-Pierre
� Anna and Harland by Samuel Taylor Coleridge from The Complete Poems
Leucippe and Clitophon by Achilles Tatius
Narcissus and Goldmund by Hermann Hesse
Venus and Adonis by William Shakespeare
Gargantua and Pantagruel by François Rabelais
Protagoras and Meno by Plato
Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen
Decline and Fall by Evelyn Waugh
💬Sodom and Gomorrah by Marcel Proust
Life and Fate by Vasily Grossman
Fortunata and Jacinta by Benito Pérez Galdós
Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov
Master and Commander by Patrick O'Brian
Master and Man by Leo Tolstoy
� Man and Superman by George Bernard Shaw - Review
Man and Wife by Wilkie Collins
Crack and Crook from Italian Folktales by Italo Calvino
Pome and Peel from Italian Folktales by Italo Calvino
Belmiele and Belsole from Italian Folktales by Italo Calvino
Nero and Bertha from Italian Folktales by Italo Calvino
� Fat and Skinny from Fifty-Two Stories by Anton Chekhov
Night and Day & Jacob's Room by Virginia Woolf


💬 In Progress: 1/51
� Completed: 22/51
Pages read: 6637

I figure I end with a double book with the second breaking me free from the pattern and back to other fiction. While this started simply as a way to work through my bookshelf it's expanded to include books and authors I've not come across before. Austen, Lawrence & Woolf I've heard of but never read, and Turgenev, Gaskell, Waugh & Hesse are all new to me.

I'm currently reading North and South and really enjoying it, more than I did Sense and Sensibility - which I did enjoy! In some ways North and South is a semi-sequel to Sense and Sensibility, the married sisters are now the mothers if you ignore the names and focus on the roles of their husbands.

I wonder what suggestions this group may make to extend this list further? The rule is that the title consists of three words, the second being "and".


message 2: by Helen (new)

Helen Hagon | 40 comments I'm currently reading Life and Fate, and also recently read The Master and Margarita (technically 'and' is the third word in this one, although in the original Russian there is no 'the'). I've also got No and Me lined up for my next read, although that's too modern to count as a classic.


message 3: by Rosemarie, Northern Roaming Scholar (new)

Rosemarie | 14814 comments Mod
Here are some plays, not Shakespeare:
Man and Superman by George Bernard Shaw
Caesar and Cleopatra also by Shaw

And a novel:
Paul and Virginie by Jacques-Henri Bernardin de Saint-Pierre


message 4: by Bernard (new)

Bernard Smith | -5 comments Janet and John: Book One by Mabel O'Donnell

The first book I read I think.


message 5: by Mike (last edited Nov 03, 2021 05:08PM) (new)

Mike Fowler (mlfowler) | 239 comments These are great, thank you - more authors I've not read! I think an exception can be made for The Master and Margarita, I've enjoyed Russian literature to date.

I had two more modern suggestions on Twitter too, one that fit the rule, Oscar and Lucinda by Peter Carey, and one that didn't, The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay by Michael Chabon (Pulitzer winner in 2001). Added them both to the wishlist as they do look interesting.

I've been to Shaw's birthplace in Dublin but have yet to read him!

Perhaps I'll take up Janet and John with my next child to learn to read, take a break from Read With Biff,Chip And Kipper Levels 1 2 3 4 5 6 Oxford Reading Tree Read At Home 50 Books.

I came across one more myself, Troilus and Criseyde by Geoffrey Chaucer. This edition is in modern English, I remember fighting middle English in high school trying to understand The Canterbury Tales.


message 6: by Lesle, Appalachain Bibliophile (new)

Lesle | 7902 comments Mod
Nicholas and Alexandra is a 1967 biography of the last royal family of Russia by historian Robert K. Massie.

One I purchased recently.


message 8: by Blueberry (new)

Blueberry (blueberry1) | 256 comments I 've always wanted to read The Agony and the Ecstasy by Irving Stone


message 11: by Mike (new)

Mike Fowler (mlfowler) | 239 comments Thank you, so many books and authors I've not come across before. I read Of Mice and Men for the first time in April and now wonder how I got away without reading Steinbeck for so long.

The Hobbit, or There and Back Again was first read to me over many, many nights by my father when I was around 7 or 8 and I have many fond memories from it.


message 12: by Lesle, Appalachain Bibliophile (new)

Lesle | 7902 comments Mod
Mike,
John Steinbeck is a favorite of mine and others in the group.

Happy to see good memories too with the reads you have read or read to you!


message 13: by Mike (new)

Mike Fowler (mlfowler) | 239 comments I have added the suggestions so far that match the strict pattern. I've mixed them in as I like the run of names that can be created but I've also tried to put distance between some titles so that I don't read the same author too close together.

Tick marks have been added to those I've finished having completed North and South this evening.

The suggestions that haven't matched the pattern have been added to my "want to read" on a new shelf called "recommended".


message 14: by Rosemarie, Northern Roaming Scholar (new)

Rosemarie | 14814 comments Mod
Dombey and Son is a long book, and worth reading when you have the time. I loved it!


message 15: by Bernard (new)

Bernard Smith | -5 comments Topsy and Tim


message 16: by Mike (new)

Mike Fowler (mlfowler) | 239 comments Hahaha Bernard, my children have watched the BBC adaptation of Topsy & Tim to death. I think I can quote whole scenes now! :P

Encouraging to hear you've enjoyed Dombey & Son Rosemarie. Spine wise it looks twice the size of North & South but half the size of War & Peace so I think it'll take me 2 months. I hope to get started tonight.


message 17: by Bernard (new)

Bernard Smith | -5 comments Meg and Mog


message 19: by Mike (new)

Mike Fowler (mlfowler) | 239 comments I was sorting through the children's book bags and discovered that one of them has brought home a Meg and Mog book to read to us over Christmas! It's the seasonally appropriate Meg's Christmas.

I'm about 20% of the way through Dombey and Son and enjoying it so far. Having finished my group reads for the month I intend to make a big dent in the page count over the coming week!


message 20: by Mike (new)

Mike Fowler (mlfowler) | 239 comments I'm nearing the halfway point of Dombey and Son and enjoying it so far. Quite a few twists, several quite unexpected, so far. It's not what I was expecting simply from a read of the back cover but it is a lot more than I was anticipating too.

I thought to add links to the reviews I've written as I've finished the books so far. Nothing fancy, usually just a summary of my impressions of the book.


message 21: by Rosemarie, Northern Roaming Scholar (new)

Rosemarie | 14814 comments Mod
I really liked Dombey and Son, Mike. A lot happens in the second part as well.


message 22: by Lesle, Appalachain Bibliophile (new)

Lesle | 7902 comments Mod
I will be awaiting your reviews. Summary of your impression makes for a good review!


message 23: by Mike (last edited Jan 18, 2022 05:11PM) (new)

Mike Fowler (mlfowler) | 239 comments Thank you! One surprise in the book is the visit to Leamington and the mention of the Pump Rooms. I used to work just down the road from them and could see the building from the office. On a nice Spring or Summer's day I would get a sandwich from the local deli and eat it sat in the park adjacent to the Pump Rooms.

On page 267 of the edition I'm reading there is a sketch with a sign pointing to the Pump Rooms in the background, it was fun thinking where that might actually be and trying to picture what Leamington looked like 150 odd years ago. I still find all these old buildings in the UK fascinating, many of them much older than anything I saw growing up in Canada.

Of course the later mention of Warwick Castle and Kenilworth Castle are also not far from me. These are much easier to imagine what they were like 150 years ago but Warwick makes the Pump Rooms look positively new. The earliest parts of Warwick castle, still standing, are nearly 1000 years old.


message 24: by Rosemarie, Northern Roaming Scholar (new)

Rosemarie | 14814 comments Mod
I've read Pierre et Jean/Pierre and Jean by Guy de Maupassant.

It's a fairly quick and interesting read.


message 25: by Mike (new)

Mike Fowler (mlfowler) | 239 comments Thanks Rosemarie, I've added it to the list. I've not read anything by Guy de Maupassant before so it's yet another new author for me courtesy of the idea of this list!


message 26: by Rosemarie, Northern Roaming Scholar (new)

Rosemarie | 14814 comments Mod
The title characters are brothers who follow different paths in life, Mike.


message 27: by Mike (new)

Mike Fowler (mlfowler) | 239 comments I was discussing historical maritime novels with a friend earlier including the novels of Patrick O'Brian. As he rightly notes, Master and Commander fits my criteria!


message 28: by Mike (new)

Mike Fowler (mlfowler) | 239 comments I've been reading The Cave and the Light: Plato Versus Aristotle, and the Struggle for the Soul of Western Civilization to get a better understanding of philosophy and learned about Plato's Timaeus. I have a deep interest in creation narratives and was surprised that I had missed this one. Hunting for a translation, I found one that fits this list Timaeus and Critias. Remarkably both these books have used the same image of Raphael's The School of Athens.


message 29: by Mike (new)

Mike Fowler (mlfowler) | 239 comments Sons and Lovers finished! Review link in the list above.


message 30: by Mike (new)

Mike Fowler (mlfowler) | 239 comments A few more for the list, brought to you by Tedeschi Trucks Band (TTB) and Amazon Recommendations. I learned today that TTB are relasing a set of 4 albums over 4 months, with 2 out already. I love this band and have ordered the first and will pace purchasing the rest a month apart to honour the bands intention.

Reading more about their "I Am The Moon" project, it's inspired by Layli and Majnun. Called 'the Romeo and Juliet of the East' by Lord Byron, it's an old Persian narrative poem, just the sort of thing I dig. I quickly added it to my TBR and was amused to find it belongs on this list.

When I added it to my wishlist, Amazon helpfully recommended another book I have not heard of, Vis and Ramin. This is believed to be the first epic Persian romance and is another narrative poem. It's also supposed to be the inspiration for a third book ...

Somehow I have overlooked The Romance of Tristan, more commonly referred to as "Tristan and Isolade". I'm surprised I hadn't thought of this as my eldest is studying literature and is besotted with the Arthurian Legends. I'll forgive myself as it's not strictly an AND title, but I'll make an exception as I did with The Master and Margarita.


message 31: by Mike (last edited Jul 24, 2022 03:25AM) (new)

Mike Fowler (mlfowler) | 239 comments I goaded my eldest about not suggesting "Tristan and Isolade", she retorted "You forgot William Shakespeare!" This is particularly silly as we had lunch next to his birthplace on Sunday and I drive past Anne Hathaway's cottage most days on the school run. So Troilus and Cressida, Romeo and Juliet, Antony and Cleopatra and Venus and Adonis.


message 32: by Chrissie (new)

Chrissie | 705 comments I am totally with you on how one book leads to another. Having just read a book by Hjalmar Söderberg I added more by this Swedish classical writer. Den allvarsamma leken fit me to a T.


message 33: by Mike (new)

Mike Fowler (mlfowler) | 239 comments Thanks Sandy! I've not come across Rolland before and I've even found the book on Project Gutenberg.


message 34: by Mike (new)

Mike Fowler (mlfowler) | 239 comments It's been a while since I made progress on this list as I've been navigating life and In Search of Lost Time. I have now come to Volume 4 of Marcel Proust's masterpiece, Sodom and Gomorrah, which has it's place on this list. Hard to believe this project is nearing two years old!


message 35: by Rosemarie, Northern Roaming Scholar (new)

Rosemarie | 14814 comments Mod
I'm posting here to make this thread active again.


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