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Lori wrote: " And don't you dare take any of this personally Jerrod. :)"

Not at all, just like to remind the ladies that not all men are like that. All men have those tendencies, but not all let them be dominant. We're not ALL bad.

Jerrod wrote: "Lori wrote: " And don't you dare take any of this personally Jerrod. :)"

Not at all, just like to remind the ladies that not all men are like that. All men have those tendencies, but not all let ..."

I'm with ya there brother. I am a massive sweetheart kind of a guy.

All hail the good guys!!! ;0)

Besides, if they don't do that much isn't that because you guys are bad trainers?

I think we do more because we just want it done right. This is a fact: what men consider tidied and clean women do not. We clean differently.

Chris, where have you been? These psychos are too much for me to handle by myself.

Oh I think you're coping quite well, Tressa.

I thought I'd re-introduce myself. Gary Frank, author of Forever Will You Suffer and Institutional Memory, and another book that's currently looking for a home. I don't read or write as much as I'd like, but I'm working to change that this year. You know, resolutions and all that crap. Glad to be here and looking forward to contributing more to these discussions.

Aw shucks, Paul. *blushing* Or is that a sly way of calling me a psycho, too?

Hi, Gary. Is that your profile pic? Nice haircut.

I do need a profile pic, don't I. Well, one's forthcoming...

Tressa, aahhh, the double-edged ambiguity of words...

Gary wrote: "I thought I'd re-introduce myself. Gary Frank, author of Forever Will You Suffer and Institutional Memory, and another book that's currently looking for a home. I don't read or write as much as I'd..."

Cool beans! I love that book and have been wanting to read more of your work ever since. I have to admit that I still need to find a copy 'Institutional Memory' though. It's been on my list but I haven't come across a copy around here as of yet.

I'm glad you are here. It's cool when the authors come by and yak it up with us.

Best wishes on your writing. You'll have a best seller any day now.

Surely you're not making a blanket statement, Lori...and I am a fantastic drooler! :P

This is a fact: what men consider tidied and clean women do..."

Too true. I can clean the house until it sparkles (in my eyes), but the wife can still find things to do for another two hours.

Rusty wrote: "This is a fact: what men consider tidied and clean women do..."

Too true. I can clean the house until it sparkles (in my eyes), but the wife can still find things to do for another two hours.
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Flip that and you have my home... I love my wife, but she's a slob. Good thing she has many redeeming qualities. That and she's realized that I have two area's that need to be clean or I WILL take your life, the Kitchen and the Bathroom.

When a man "cleans" a kitchen, he leaves sopping wet rags behind the sink faucets, the drain baskets full of gunk, the table sticky, and the stove top full of stuck-on food. That's clean?

Bless my husband's heart, but we have had full-blown arguments over the way he sweeps the kitchen floor. You swept it but how is it that there is still crap all over it? Are you blind, man!?

I put on a hazmat suit to walk into my husband's bathroom. I'd rather lick the floors of a truck stop bathroom than walk in there.

well, this guy is little OCD about the bathroom being clean. I keep it sparkling and clean 3 times a week.
As far as the kitchen well it's a good thing I only live with my cats!

Tressa wrote: "When a man "cleans" a kitchen, he leaves sopping wet rags behind the sink faucets, the drain baskets full of gunk, the table sticky, and the stove top full of stuck-on food. That's clean?

Bless my..."

Well maybe that's YOUR man Tressa -grin- But you know we're not all that way. I keep things much, much cleaner around here than anyone else. I even wash dishes as I am cooking so there isn't a mess to deal with after dinner. Not as big as mess anyway.

With 5 cats I HAVE to be a clean freak or I would be buried under shedding cat fur and god knows what else!

I love a man who loves cats. Paul, is that your cat in your profile pic? He looks perturbed. Watch your back.

Touche, Brett.

This reminds me. When I was in college in Seattle, I helped manage the apartment building I lived in. One time they asked me to check an apartment that 3 girls had lived in and had skipped out owing rent. They had a new renter but didn't know the condition of the place.
So I walk in and stop a couple feet in to view the disaster. Garbage everywhere. Cabinent doors torn off, etc. That's kind of normal, but when I went in the bathroom I nearly puked. Nearly the entire room was covered in black mold. The walls, ceiling, everything! This stuff takes time to grow like that and these girls were living in it? Showering and whatnot?

It took 2 people 9 hours to clean just that bathroom. To this day, I think of those 3 girls. They seemed so nice. They were all pretty cute, but man! If I had ever seen their place, I would've run from them at high speed!

Tressa wrote: "When a man "cleans" a kitchen, he leaves sopping wet rags behind the sink faucets, the drain baskets full of gunk, the table sticky, and the stove top full of stuck-on food. That's clean?"

No offense, but I've yet to meet a women (excluding my mother), that cleans as thoroughly as I do.

I'm with Brett, I keep my homestead immaculate clean, Hey Tressa, how bout you train the wife to clean, I could use a break from teaching for awhile.

Hey, I'm not saying that only women clean well. In fact, I'm sure you and Brett could teach me some cleaning tips. I'm not perfect; just better than my husband.

Tressa wrote: "Hey, I'm not saying that only women clean well. In fact, I'm sure you and Brett could teach me some cleaning tips. I'm not perfect; just better than my husband."

And that is usually the case...

Tressa, no that's a pic I found off the net and just really liked

Chris it wasn't a blanket statement, just an in general quote.

Jerrod my honey feels your pain, because I don't clean up behind anyone. If i'm watching the grandkids i'll pick up behind them, but that's it. I believe if you made the mess you clean it up. I'm his wife not his mom. If I cook I clean up as I go, but he makes this huge mess then thinks i'm going to clean it up. Boy is he wrong. Not today, or tomorrow.

When I'm in the kitchen I clean up as I go, too. That's something my mom always taught me. My husband would never, ever expect me to pick up after him. But my gripe is that whatever he doesn't do around the house--e.g. picking up toys, sweeping up messes, etc.--I have to do it and that's disrespectful to me.

My husband is super smart and is a wonderful handyman who has saved us tons of money and since we both work we try to split most things down the middle. So, I'm luckier than most women in the world. From the get-go I made sure he did his share of baby stuff and now it's me who has to ask him questions about childrearing.

Jerrod wrote: "Rusty wrote: "This is a fact: what men consider tidied and clean women do..."

Too true. I can clean the house until it sparkles (in my eyes), but the wife can still find things to do for another ..."

--I'm with you about the bathroom and kitchen. They must be clean, although I need a clean house, period. I am not a neat freak, but I like things clean!

Tressa wrote: "When I'm in the kitchen I clean up as I go, too. That's something my mom always taught me. My husband would never, ever expect me to pick up after him. But my gripe is that whatever he doesn't do a..."

I definitely believe in cleaning as you go. That's why I don't like to cook all the time. I hate washing dishes because that means clean the whole cooking area when you wash dishes to me.

I believe that women can be incredibly nasty. If you don't believe me, go into the woman's public bathrooms. It's why I have a public bathroom fear. Woman can be just as gross and even grosser than men.

Tressa, I've never understood why raising children was strictly the woman's job. I don't agree with that at all. Fathers should be involved in and take care of their children just as much as mothers do.

Danielle, you are SPOT ON about the nastiness of women's bathroom habits. Most don't like to sit on the toilet, so they squat and sprinkle the entire seat. Then they just walk away.

Trust me, my husband never "babysits" his own kid. A lot of men do that when their wives have to leave them alone with the kids.

I like things clean, but my house has that lived in look. I'd have the kitchen done, and he'd get a snack, and leave his whatever in the sink. To me cleaning the kitchen means putting the dishes away after washing them, he thinks you should leave them and use those in the drainboard first. So now the kitchen is his! For some reason in the past two years, he just throws his socks on the bedroom floor, I refuse to pick them up. He was looking for his socks in his drawers one day, it was funny because they weren't there. They were still in piles on the floor. So he opens a new pack. I love him but sometimes he makes me crazy. His mom who lives with us finally picked them up & washed them. No i'd never call myself a clean freak.

Tressa wrote: "Danielle, you are SPOT ON about the nastiness of women's bathroom habits. Most don't like to sit on the toilet, so they squat and sprinkle the entire seat. Then they just walk away.

Trust me, my ..."


--And let's not talk about women's habits during that time of the month! They were not raised right, IMHO.

Tressa wrote: "Danielle, you are SPOT ON about the nastiness of women's bathroom habits. Most don't like to sit on the toilet, so they squat and sprinkle the entire seat. Then they just walk away.

Trust me, my ..."


I think men who don't spend time with their kids when they are young come to regret it. I know my father did.

Lori wrote: " I like things clean, but my house has that lived in look. I'd have the kitchen done, and he'd get a snack, and leave his whatever in the sink. To me cleaning the kitchen means putting the dishes a..."


--My friend had an issue with her step-father. He'd never wash dishes. He'd just get new dishes out of the cabinet. So she hid all the new dishes. I think he went and got some plastic plates then. I thought it was a good idea, though.

yeah, I don't know how many times I've gone to an unisex bathroom at work or school and theres used tampons floating in the toliet..,.ugh!!

Those aren't supposed to be dropped in the toilet. Guess they gave birth and left it where it fell.

LOl Tressa...you can never tell about people no matter how nice they look..

When I was younger(my 20's) I went to stay with my mom in South Carolina. Her friend got me a part time job at Waccamaw Pottery. I had to sweep, & buff the floors, and this was a big ass place. Clean the restrooms, there were 4 two of each. This one day I went in did the floors, then 3 restrooms, I got to the last one, and OMG it was indescribable. Of crouse it's a womans restroom. Some B had taken a poopy diaper and rubbed it all over the walls, floor, the toilet, & the mirror. Oh but hell no I didn't clean it up. I put a sign that read "OUT OF ORDER". Women seem to forget their manners when they go to the restroom in public. It's a damn shame.

I can't believe people won't flush the toilet. It's like "I did my business. This is your problem now."

Sounds like a Jackass stunt.

I saw something left in a toilet three weeks ago that even the Jackass clan isn't disgusting enough to produce.

We should start a pet peeve thread. It's very therapeutic getting all this off my chest.

Well, now I can't help but be curious.

Don't know about the Jackass part, but they were for sure vindictive BITCH'S. They new someone had to clean it up.

My lips are sealed. I'm trying to forget.

Tressa wrote: "I can't believe people won't flush the toilet. It's like "I did my business. This is your problem now.""

thjat is my pet peeve too. I just don't understand people. do they do that at home too?

That's the same thing I wanted to know!

Nobody's brave enough to find out.

LoL I've seen some scary houses...

and scarier bathrooms.

yeah, where you just wait til you get home or the gas station to go!

Paul wrote: "LoL I've seen some scary houses..."

Yeah, anyone watch Hoarders on A&E? Always makes me wanna sterilize my apartment.

Rachel wrote: "Paul wrote: "LoL I've seen some scary houses..."

Yeah, anyone watch Hoarders on A&E? Always makes me wanna sterilize my apartment."

oh that show is crazy

It's really odd what some people can't part with. Twenty years of water bill stubs. A garage full of sodden newspapers. That's a sad sickness.