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Did Scarlet deserve Rhett?
Anna Anna Dec 22, 2011 11:26AM
Gone With The Wind: An instant classic and the most popular love story that has endured it's early years and has soared to the best-seller list many times. Scarlet O'Hara the brave, strong, beautiful woman both Ashley and Rhett can't help but love has been called the heroine of this famous story and movie. Her famous line, "Fiddle Dee Dee" is as popular as she is herself. However many of her characteristics are most desirable: fierce, determined, and ambitious however she's also vain, selfish, manipulative, and unkind. Yet Rhett falls in love with this woman, some may say that it was her beauty and strong will that was the reason why Rhett loved her but that isn't so. Rhett might have chosen her as his wife but that doesn't mean that she was completely in love with him. Her eyes were focused on a different sort of man and his name is Ashley...as you know him as Melanie's husband. Scarlet is never content with any man she married to (which happened to be three times). I don't know what Rhett saw in her, maybe it was beauty or just maybe her strong-willed character?!



Circa Girl (last edited Dec 31, 2011 02:03PM ) Dec 31, 2011 02:06PM   4 votes
Who can adequately say whether anyone deserves their partner in this book? I mean Ashley repeatedly cheats on Melanie and Ms. O'hara only married to escape her family. The question is really whether Scarlett was right for Rhett, which for me the answer is yes and no. They have an undeniable chemistry and develop a solid friendship but both were horrible at communication and Scarlett wasn't emotionally mature enough to her own feelings for him until it was too late.


I really do not like to connect the word deserving to this. Scarlett and Rhett, to me, were soul mates. Unfortunately, Rhett met Scarlett while she was still going through a childhood crush on Ashley Wilkes. That crush could have been put to rest if Ashley was truthful with Scarlett from the beginning. Rhett's pride would not allow him to love her with his full being because he wanted Scarlett to come to him on her own. Yes, Rhett did show his love in many ways but a part of him held back. I don't blame him though for wanting Scarlett to come to the realization on her own that they belonged together. Both Rhett and Scarlett were horrible at communication and both were too prideful for their own good.


Well in the beginning Rhett called her his "pet". I don't think that's love. I think Rhett loved her because they were so alike and she was strong willed and so unlike most women.

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Beth Erm. I feel like "kind heart" doesn't include threatening to crush your wife's skull or dragging her upstairs to rape her. But maybe that's just me? ...more
Aug 21, 2020 07:34PM

I think Rhett got what he deserved.


Min-jung (last edited Oct 06, 2017 04:56AM ) Oct 06, 2017 01:16AM   1 vote
This seems to be a pretty dead thread but I'll throw in my two cents. I believe that both Scarlett and Rhett treated each other horribly and it's quite unfair if Scarlett takes all the blames for their broken marriage. Scarlett, an obtuse fool when it comes to reading people's minds, had her share in the failure of their marriage for sure, but was Rhett a saint in their marriage?

IMO, Rhett's problem was that he was a coward at heart and even a hypocrite never introspecting about his faults. He always put his fences up, hardly showed Scarlett his true feelings and blamed her for almost everything. The fear of rejection literally prompted him to be cruel and abusive toward her, eventually pushing her away. Yes, it was mainly because of his self-preservation but doesn't being in love involve accepting the truth that the person you love could have the upper hand in a relationship? He frequently mocked and belittled Scarlett. It just annoyed me whenever he called her "my pet". He never apologized to her for any of his misdeeds (e.g. miscarriage, the caveat emptorium, threatening to crush her skull, etc.).

If my husband spent a night with me, went straight to the *other* woman, stayed with her for days, left me after a quarrel, and came back after several months without telling me about his whereabouts, I wouldn't think he cared for me at all. But isn't what Rhett did? Considering how cold and cruel he was to her, how he could think of getting his love requited is quite a mystery to me. At least, Scarlett had the guts to bare her heart to Rhett and apologize for what she had done at the end. So who deserves who?

I agree on one thing, though. It's best for Scarlett and Rhett to stay away from each other. These two won't make it unless both of them (yes, both) mature over time. I honestly think it was way selfish and irresponsible of Rhett to abandon Wade and Ella just like that. Selfish as she may be, Scarlett never abandoned her family just like Rhett did. Working hard in order for her family to survive after the war shaped Scarlett's cold heart. She could never properly, emotionally grow up as she had a more urgent issue to take care of. She took charge and her family survived. Even Melanie and Ashley depended on Scarlett. Rhett didn't see what Scarlett had to go through as a young woman. Honestly, I don't think Rhett valued Scarlett as she was because he was never in that position to back others up.

Rhett left Scarlett, saying that it was her misfortune to love him. But I suppose it's quite the contrary. His absence will remain a powerful reminder of the lesson she learned. Finally she will grow up as a woman, try to be a better mother and listen to what her heart wants. She will rise on her own without Rhett. After all, isn't GWTW a saga about her survival?


I agree with those who said everything woul dhave been different if Rhett had told Scarlett he loved her. Or he could at least be nicer to her and she probably would have realized she loved him earlier. Once on one of their buggy rides from the lumber mills her remarked that if he keeps being nice to her she might become submissive or that he might be able to bend her to his own will . .. well something similar. Strange THAT BEING SMART AS HE WAS, HE COULD NOT UNDERSTAND SUCH A SIMPLE THING.


They were made for each other - she realized too late that she loved him and how much time she wasted with her infatuation with Ashley. I truly believe that they some how, at some point in time they got together and lived happily ever after. Well that is my fantasy and I am sticking to it!


deleted member Jun 06, 2012 11:03AM   0 votes
I think they deserved each other. :p *does not like Rhett*


Rhett and Scarlett have been described as legendary lovers since GWTW hit the shelves in 1936. But, if they were "made for each other", why was their relationship so disastrous? Yes, Scarlett harboured an insane, childish obsession with Ashley Wilkes. But, before he emerged from the back of the sofa at Twelve Oaks, Rhett Butler heard all about it. Scarlett told him straight out that she didn't love him when he proposed. And, amid constant quarreling, she kicks him out of her bed, so she can keep her figure and dream about Ashley. Rhett just HAD to have her(read: have sex with her) and he couldn't peek under that "shimmy" any
other way, as he admitted in the book. So, sorry Mr. Butler, your pride, your ego, and your LUST got the best of you, and you married that scheming, selfish child anyway. Two people chasing two other people instead of each other don't stand a chance. They were both fools in the end.


No way. I can't believe Scarlett never saw this coming!
However, I feel to some extent Rhett was also responsible, if only for a while. He was too proud of himself to admit to her that he loved her so he wouldn't feel weak in front of her. Scarlett even thinks that if only he had told her this she might have changed her mind. Also, he never apologised for his comment on her miscarriage.
Scarlett on the other hand, had a 80% role for their break-up.Her stupid crush on her stupid Ashley was ofcourse the main problem. The second problem was the same as Rhett's. She never told him what she really wanted to say, such as when she wanted to apologise to him for blaming him about Bonnie's death but never did ! She could have also told him how much she enjoyed that night, but she never did because she was too proud.
Hence, the main problem in their relationship was their ego and lack of communication.


I think they deserved each other. They were alike in all aspects except for one. Scarlett wasn't the brightest tool in the shed. Had she realized when they were at Tara, shortly before Scarlett left to steal her sister's beau, that her and Ashley weren't right before each other, it could've saved everyone some heartache. Rhett came to the understanding that he loved her way before she came to the understanding that she loved him.


Aneesa (last edited May 26, 2013 12:33AM ) May 25, 2013 09:07PM   0 votes
i always knew that they would eventually get together again and not because of SCARLETT. firstly do you guys actually believe that he loved her so much and even though she ruined him, just got over her and stopped loving her forever. that is impossible. i mean she hurt him continuously and he was a broken man after bonnie's death and fed up of scarlett and her obsession with ashley. sure he was embittered, fed up, tired and wanted away from her but i think, for such true love, the initial spark always remains and i believe that after taking a pretty long time, most probably years to lick his wounds and get over bonnie's death with scarlett trying desperately to make amends he must have taken her back. i also thought that the kindness he felt towards her at the end of the book was one of the remnants of undying love which is bound to blossom again after he has taken plenty of time to heal and when they did get back together i'm sure scarlett would also have given him her love. i don't think scarlett only wanted him because she thought she couldn't have him. she realized she loved him before she realized she couldn't have him. now towards your question, it's not a matter of deserving, the fact of the matter is that no matter what they are soul mates and will never find anybody like each other, as for rhett "finding someone better", well the truth is even though she hurt him unbearably, she was his true love and you can never replace true love no matter how they hurt you, so rhett could be happier with someone else but he wouldn't be cause they were always meant to be with each other if she hadn't been such an idiot in the first place.


It's been almost 10 years ago that I read this book but it left me with such a vivid realization of love and life and the human errors that can bring it much grief or human virtues that can bring it much happiness. Scarlet was too emotionally immature to deserve anyone. She was a people user. ... which is okay in any other parts of life but not okay in matters of the heart. Rhett grew both as a person and in his love for her, in the course of the story and was way emotionally ahead of her towards the end. They might have started out as a match but he grew and she didn't, so they were a mismatch by then of the story.
This said, I have a belief that the writer of this book left us with a prediction of Rhetts return, through Scarlets closing remark.... after all; love is patient.


I think Rhett was a beat blinded also with her, as Scarlet was with Ashley. She behaved with him just as she was, and Rhett had always made a point of knowing the truth about her. She married him saying she was not in love with him. So, he expected from her more than she could give, and it was more than he thought he would need from her. He was also very hard on her, cruel even. But...I would enjoyed so much a happy end


I think Rhett was a beat blinded also with her, as Scarlet was with Ashley. She behaved with him just as she was, and Rhett had always made a point of knowing the truth about her. She married him saying she was not in love with him. So, he expected from her more than she could give, and it was more than he thought he would need from her. He was also very hard on her, cruel even. But...I would enjoyed so much a happy end


I honestly love this story and both main characters even though both of them are so dumb. I would say that it is mostly Rhett's fault for wanting to married her. He kind of force her to married because he wasn't going to take no for an answer. He should of try to win her heart first because she did say "I don't love you". And they both are so prideful and they lack communicating with each other. The ending is so sad and I want them to be together because they make such a great couple. I wish Margaret Mitchell had wrote the second part of the story and that the second movie had the same original actors.


Yes, Scarlett totally deserved Rhett. And I think Rhett deserved Scarlett.
We all know Scarlett was a bitch most of the time and too pig headed to admit her feelings for Rhett. She messed about for a decade and never actually admitted she loved him until right at the end. But there were many instances were Scarlett had missed him and resolved to tell him, only for Rhett to then knock her back.
There was so much point scoring between them. I found myself shouting at Scarlett 'tell him how you feel!!' but then I was shouting at Rhett 'Dont push her away!!'
I don't think they knew how to handle each other. Rhett didnt want to admit he loved her because he knew she would take advantage. And Scarlett couldnt see that he loved her through his actions because she was so used to declarations of love (albeit empty!).


This is the best novel that gives me the real explainanation when describing about emotion of the women in love.
Or maybe just because i read this novel when i get growth enough to understand why each charater acts like that.
When we old enough, we can understand.
And how i can find a Rhett? :)


Scarlett was a spoiled child, to immature to recognize that she was truly loved by Rhett. She had a storybook image of Ashley, so sad.
An outstanding book & movie.


I think Rhett was intrigued by her in the beginning (at the barbecue, the argument/confession to Ashley). And that interest later blossomed into love. Neither character was perfect. They each had good qualities and bad. I think they complimented each other. Rhett liked Scarlett's quick thinking and her passion.


Honestly, I think they played well off of one another. Both had wonderful qualities about them, as well as some not so desirable qualities. All in all, I do believe that they would have been a wonderful couple together, had Scarlett seen earlier on she didn't love Ashley.


Men want what they can't have so when Rhett saw this passionate, attractive, unattainable woman with far more character than most women in that generation demonstrated, he had to have her. I would say that Scarlett prior to the war most definitely did not deserve Rhett, however by the end of the story she has seen and been through hell and done a lot of growing up. She has survived and thrived through extremely hard times and eventually grows to recognize the love she has not been worthy of up until then. Its too bad she is too late, but yes I believe she does eventually deserve Rhett.


I thought the two were made for each other.


deleted member Feb 20, 2012 06:12AM   0 votes
Let me put it this way. I think the question should be, "Did Rhett deserve Scarlett?"


I think he loved that, like him, she wasn't genteel like she should have been considering the status of her family. She was an amusement for him, but he genuinely loved her and wanted the best for her. She didn't deserve a man like him. Out of the three, he was the most devoted to her (well to be fair one died fairly early)and I think he had hoped that his devotion would make her realize that he loved her. Too bad she couldn't see that Ashley only lusted after her while Rhett truly loved her. She deserved to have that realization at the end and lose the people who cared about her. I wouldn't call her a heroine, she is more of an anti-hero, which is what I loved about her. So few protagonists are as unlikable as Scarlett, yet also interesting and, despite outward appearances, complex and even though she is selfish she does a lot in the best interest of her family, or what she thinks is in the best interest.


Yes, the two were definitely made for each other; they were both so much alike especially in their stubbornness. He loved her but was too stubborn to say it, she loved him but refused to acknowledge it even to herself until the end of the story, when it was too late.


I love the portrayal of Scarlett in Rhett Butler's People.


Vesna (last edited Jun 09, 2015 04:53AM ) Jun 09, 2015 03:46AM   -1 votes
Actually Scarlett really deserved Ashley. Even more, she and Ashley deserved each other. If they were living togehter, Ashley would have every day lived with a reminder, that he betrayed his beloved Melanie, and Scarlett would have lived with unequal partner. They would have been punishment for each other. However, it doesn't mean (but it's also not impossible), that they would end up together.

And NO, I don't think, that Scarlett deserves Rhett. They have a good chemistry, their characters match each other very well, but she just made too many mistakes. It's just too late.
In my opinion the main idea of the book is, that we don't appreciate what we have, till we lose it.


In my opinion, Scarlet didn't deserve Rhett. She's one helluva character no doubt, one with absolute grit, and determination. But 10 years to recognise and acknowledge a man's love for her, is just too much, especially when his actions literally screamed insane love. Had she spent half the time in introspection, as she did obsessing over Ashley, it would've been a splendid tale of love, and passion.

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Marie True. I want to point out that Rhett always knew what the circumstances of his actions would be and
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Oct 26, 2017 07:21PM

I don't think that Scarlett deserved Rhett. He gave her everything she wanted, and she only wanted him because she couldn't have Ashley. Rhett deserved somebody way better than Scarlett. Don't get me wrong, I love Scarlett, but she was just way to rude to Rhett.


I believed and always believed that Rhett truly loved Scarlett, and appreciated her to great extents; he desired her strongness and her willfulness, being that when he looked into her soul he found himself--that brings me to believe that this couple was perfectly compatible.

But everyone who read the book knows exactly who Scarlett O'Hara was...an arrogant, stubborn, self-righteous, blockheaded, too-charming-for-her-own-good maiden, and with the aforemention stubbornness, she simply wasn't able to let go of her presumed "love" for Ashley. That led her to one mistake after another.

Each mistake was her own doing, I stand strong to that. She brought everything that happened to her upon herself, and while everyone knew there was SOME good in her inside, it simply was not displayed where and when it was needed, and that was the most principal mistake of them all. Rhett did the contrary, showing his stature as a good man despite his numerously visual flaws; he was wiser and better-rounded that Scarlett.

All of the above gives me reason to believe that there is truth to the assumption that Scarlett truly did not deserve Rhett; if she had realized her folly before it was too late, things would evidently be different, but you can only screw yourself over so many times before your fate is irreversable.


deleted member Feb 17, 2013 05:20PM   -1 votes
I feel that Scarlett DID NOT deserve Rhett with the way she treated not just him but every other character in the story.

"You're so brutal to those who love you, Scarlett. You take their love and hold it over their heads like a whip."

Even Ellen who she never held a negative opinion of even after she stooped low into immorality, she manipulated to her advantage for her self-centered needs.

Rhett was the only person who not only knew of her wicked nature but also loved her sooooooo muuuucch and even with him she #$@! up big time and tortured with a whip.

So no matter how much Rhett truly loved her, Scarlett DID NOT deserve her.Though as you read her thoughts near the end of the book its really easy to feel sorry for her as she begins to realize all the damage she's done;which IMHO is one of the things that makes Mitchell one of the best writers who ever lived. The ability to make you hate such a criminal narcissistic sociopath like Scarlett yet make you feel sorry for her at the end as she begins to finally understand the feelings of people other than herself and at least start realizing the concepts of morality.

You're looking at a REAL-LIFE equivalent of Scarlett O'Hara (except I'm male and I'm in many ways even much worse than Scarlett was). I would say first hand I don't deserve all the love I received from others and that I don't even deserve to be living a good life for all the damage I done and the wicked sociopath I was for half my life. So I know where Scarlett's coming from (though my case was much worse and even far more inexcusable than Scarlett's).


Even though it is obvious that they are made for each other, she does not deserve him. He loved her while she threw it back at him. She had taken her obsession to a point where she even after the realization cannot win Rhett back. Scarlett is a great character who has faults and virtues in her but if asked whether she deserved Rhett, i would say no. For almost 10 years she had hurt Rhett, deceived Melanie, fooled around Ashley. 10 yrs to understand a person like Ashley which she wasted, had she spent 10 proper minutes on Rhett they would have been together. Hence Rhett is better off without her.


in my opinion she didn't deserve anyone. She was just so bratty and her only love was $. sorry scarlet lovers:/


no she did not. she was selfish. too bad it was too late when she finally realized that she had a good man for a husband and screwed it up. good for him leaving her.


Frankly, my dear....


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